If you are suggesting there's an infinite amount of causes for the universe, then that's impossible, you cannot have an infinite amount of causes and have a universe at the same time. Let's say that I'm a soldier, and you are my enemy, I want to shoot you, but before I do that I need permission from the soldier behind me, but the soldier behind me needs permission from the one behind him, imagine that this goes on forever..will I ever be able to shoot you? No. Likewise an infinite regress of causes for the universe means there would never be a universe. We conclude that there must be this 1 being that is responsible for the creation of everything, but Himself, He is not.
I asked you a simple question mate.. I'm not saying, I'm not assuming, I'm not implying, I'm not guessing anything at all... I'm just asking you a very simple question -
No you did not.. You said random stuffs, that how you wanted to shoot someone... I need a 'To the point' answer.. I guess, you understand what is 'to the point', don't you?
I said there's 1 being (meaning God) that is responsible for the creation of everything, but Himself, He is not. That answered the question.
No you misunderstood, there's nothing above God, He created everything, but He Himself is not created by anything, He is eternal and has always been there.
Ignoring the above troll. There are only two other explanations for our universe if there is no God: - Universe created itself - which is just absurd - Universe popped out of nowhere - which is even more absurd
@IsraeI I dare say with post #309 you may have a few of them cornered.I would very much like to see someone contradict that,I sure can't.
that is a point there, if the universe was from a big bang, who sparked the big bang?. who put the material there for the big bang?
Without a shadow of a doubt it's God. And if someone wants to make the argument that there's an infinite regress of causes for the universe, then that's impossible, if there's an infinite regress of causes, there would never be a universe, it's impossible. There's has to be an Ultimate Cause that itself is un-caused, which is God.
Alright mate, That's a 'to the point' answer.. But, then again, you said - Let me put all of these together - 1) Nothing Creates Nothing - Check 2) Something Creates Something - Check 3) Nothing created God - Errrrr...... Do I sense a conflict here, or do you really imply that the God is nothing? It has to be one of the either.. Absolutely mate, and believing that the God was always there or popped out of nowhere, I don't know, even more absurd? Seriously, If I'm to assume the existence of God, that can not be proven at all, as of now. I guess, assuming that the universe created itself, makes a lot more sense to me.. At least I can prove the existence of universe, as we see it.. Its down to what kind of fairytale you wanna believe... Besides, universe can not create itself. But what were the factors behind the creation, no one knows!
This questioning will be forever, therefore its not a logical question, we HAVE to end up with a an Ultimate Creator that created everything, if there isn't we cannot have the universe. I did indeed say that God is a "Something"..and "Something" is created by something, but..I only said "Something" in this case for lack of a better word, that's all. Neither has the existence of your great great great great great great grand mother been proven to exist at some point in time, but you believe in her. If you really want to believe that the universe created itself, you can do so.
The Answer is even more simple Linda - Even an atheist knows that nothing can create itself.. There has to be something that triggered the events that which led us here. That factor is unknown to us. It can be an event or it can be an entity. We are trying to find out.. As our knowledge evolves, we will find more answers. Till then my guess is as good as yours. But at the end, it is just what it is, a guess, an assumption that can not proven right or wrong. Umm, God is 'Something', 'Something' is created by 'Something' thus God is created by 'Something', right? Is that what you are saying here?? True, but the existence of my "great great great great great great grand mother" proves the existence of my "great great great great great great great grand mother" [That's one more 'great' if you can't tell] So if God exists, there has to be something that can create God, and then something that can create the creator of the God.. It's an endless cycle.. I believe in what I know. What I know are the facts that can be proven. The only thing that's proven about universe is the fact that it exists. Now how it was created? Neither you nor I know. You believe in God, I believe in finding the truth. That's the only difference.
@The Webby In post #313 you state that no one knows how the universe was created.Sounds to me like your leaving the way to an acknowledgement of a God.What other explanation could there be? Saying I don't know is not an answer but a question.
Someone pulled the trigger, and that was God. You are playing with words as usual, I already told you that I said "Something" in this case because of a lack of a better word. Forget "Something is created by Something" from now on its - "Everything that has come into existence was brought into existence by something else." You missed the point. The point is that scientifically your this great great great great great great great grandmother cannot be proven to have existed, but we both know she existed. Likewise with God, we know He exists because we exist. We know that it has a beginning, that's enough for us to know that it has a cause, we don't care about "how". Endless cycle? You believe in an infinite regress of creators then, which is the equivalent of saying there's no universe.
True, and its a question that everyone should seek an answer to. But you stop seeking the answer the moment you assume that a 'super being' came out of nowhere and created everything magically. case in point - I'm as much acknowledging the God as I'm acknowledging the Three Headed Clown Monster. If a question is answered, you may assume the answer.. But even if you assume anything, you must find evidence that can either prove your assumption right or wrong. Existence is God is a hypothesis with only other hypothesis to back it up. A bunch of hypothesis don't make into a fact. I don't have any problem with people believing in God, whatever works for them. But I refuse to believe in assumptions.. Nope, either Universe pulled the trigger itself or it was Three headed Clown Monster. See, I can make equally absurd claims.. I'm not playing with the words, I'm just trying to make sense of your...ummm... thought process, should I say? Going with your own thoughts, it's very simple - a) Either God is nothing OR b) Something created God. What is it? And you are wrong once again.. If I'm hell bent on proving the existence of my [many] greats grand mother, It can be done.. I'll just need to back track my roots.. DNA analysis can very well link me to her and her other off-springs. I don't have to assume anything.. TADA!! Exactly.. You and Your kind don't care about one of the most important questions. In other words mate, that trait is called 'Ignorance".. But hey, you are happy with it, who am I to tell you any different.. As they say, ignorance is bliss...