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[ATTENTION DIRECTORY OWNERS] - Important Message for you

Discussion in 'Directories' started by praveen, Oct 22, 2006.

  1. SonicReducer

    SonicReducer Peon

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    #61
    I think this is totally ridiculous and I think could be fought with Paypal. The service of listing a url of a gambling site has nothing to do with gambling, which is what the law is supposed to prevent. So no gambling site can purchase any services from a US company? So if a guy that owns a gambling site needs a box of paper clips and goes down to Office Max and buys them, is Office Max going to get harrassed for accepting his payment? It's crazy.
     
    SonicReducer, Oct 30, 2006 IP
  2. praveen

    praveen Notable Member

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    #62
    Sonicreducer,

    thats a stupid example :D:p (no offense intended).

    Office max is not going to know and not bothered whether you own a gambling site or not.

    whereas, when someone submits a site to your(our) directory, it is expected that we check the site out before approving it.

    so, when you do check the site and know it is related to gambling, then it is your fault if you accept the site.

    the acceptable policy clearly states

    you are not directly engaging in gambling activities but you are helping in promoting it by accepting the link in your directory which is illegal in US.
     
    praveen, Oct 30, 2006 IP
  3. Antonio

    Antonio Well-Known Member

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    #63
    So if I have received payment from gambling site, any punishment?
     
    Antonio, Oct 30, 2006 IP
  4. ! Ask !

    ! Ask ! Peon

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    #64
    Interesting if you are not a EUA resident, and basicly using paypal Europe you still have to obey this law?
     
    ! Ask !, Oct 30, 2006 IP
  5. oseymour

    oseymour Well-Known Member

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    #65
    Thanks for the info
     
    oseymour, Oct 30, 2006 IP
  6. praveen

    praveen Notable Member

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    #66
    Yes,

    what people dont realize and sometimes dont understand is, even though paypal has different entities (Paypal USA, Paypal Europe etc..) there is ONLY ONE ACCEPTABLE USAGE POLICY.

    what this means is, it really does not matter whether you are a US Citizen or a Swiss Citizen or a Citizen of any other country, you will have to obey the Acceptable Usage Policy.

    There are different privacy policies but only one Acceptable usage policy which is https://www.paypal.com/aup/

    if you compare this with the privacy policy, there is no geo differentiation for the AUP like the privacy.

    in short, yes this law is for all.

    maybe they may not catch u today or tomorrow, but they will soon.
    simply because they have to protect themselves from future legal issues.

    no one should say paypal accepts payments for gambling sites anywhere.
     
    praveen, Oct 30, 2006 IP
  7. NaNar

    NaNar Prominent Member

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    #67
    If someone submits their gambling site and pays, however I reject their submission and refund their money (which I have done numerous times), will I be punished with PayPal?
     
    NaNar, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  8. cldnails

    cldnails Well-Known Member

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    #68
    Very first time, no warnings, infractions...nothing.
     
    cldnails, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  9. praveen

    praveen Notable Member

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    #69
    @shadey

    no you shouldnt get into trouble but i am not paypal :D
     
    praveen, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  10. SonicReducer

    SonicReducer Peon

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    #70
    I agree that made no sense at all. ( I had just returned from the pub when I wrote that) :)

    I have read the AUP policy though, and I still think you can make an argument that it does not apply to what we are doing as directory owners. Not that Paypal would care.
     
    SonicReducer, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  11. primeryder

    primeryder Well-Known Member

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    #71
    Very good information, thank you! It would be a disaster to lose my paypal account. Ouch! Thanks for the heads up!
     
    primeryder, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  12. praveen

    praveen Notable Member

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    #72
    As directory owners, when we accept those sites, we indirectly help them in their promotion.

    if you check the gambling page it states

    the text in bold is what we do.
    receive payments from a person to promote his gambling site.

    i accept we are not directly interested in what our visitors do, but by accepting these sites we get involved.

    heard of the long tail??

    like that... ;)
     
    praveen, Oct 31, 2006 IP
  13. romow

    romow Peon

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    #73
    I don't think so.
    Check out US and UK AUPs:
    http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=gambling
    https://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=gambling

    I clearly see that their gambling policy is different under different jurisdictions.
    UK's AUP policy says:
    Paypal may think that non-US based directory owners do not have the ability to block gambling site submissions from the US and other areas where gambling is not legal, and that's what may violate their UK AUP policy. It's not that they enfoce the single AUP.
     
    romow, Oct 31, 2006 IP
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  14. praveen

    praveen Notable Member

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    #74
    Thanks for pointing this out :)
     
    praveen, Nov 1, 2006 IP
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    venturefox Notable Member

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    #75
    Paypal never allowed any gambling related activity so this was part of their terms and conditions even before the new US law came into practise. I dont think they can reasonably enforce such a rule.
     
    venturefox, Nov 1, 2006 IP
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    katakombe.com Peon

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    #76
    Thanks, 3 subscriptions are canceled so far ..
     
    katakombe.com, Dec 16, 2006 IP
  17. rtchar

    rtchar Peon

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    #77
    I don't see any mention of this in the thread ...

    I looked at a couple of the other prohibited activities and found this:
    Funny this address is not widely posted. ;)
     
    rtchar, Mar 16, 2007 IP
  18. brainet

    brainet Active Member

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    #78
    what's the good solution for this? just get rid of the gambling category?
     
    brainet, Mar 17, 2007 IP
  19. SFOD_D223

    SFOD_D223 Peon

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    #79
    Getting rid of the gambling cat would help but you would still need to weed through the submissions under " entertainment" or others.
     
    SFOD_D223, Mar 17, 2007 IP
  20. Neeraj Varma

    Neeraj Varma Peon

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    #80
    Which law are you talking about? Which country are you from? There are so many gambling sites online... you mean they are all illegal?
     
    Neeraj Varma, Mar 17, 2007 IP