anna hazare against corruption ...

your signature links are Indian website....?

K i will explain you .....Anna Hazare is a great Indian social activist man. He is 74 years old man fights against India's corruption...peoples are called him modern gandhi.. He is Ex military man and get more awards for his social service...etc

 

Okay, now i's getting loaded, I expected it though. Allow me to address your points one by one.

No, tell me.

No, I don't have a ration card, I don't need it. My father has a ration card with my name on it and we never use it.
I have a driver's license, I obtained it through proper channel in 4 months. (3 months were needed to learn driving and driving rules)
I have a passport that my father obtained for me, No idea how.

And no, these are not your basic rights. These are privileges that require specific skills and conditions.
If you are not aware of driving rules and/or you don't know how to drive, you are not eligible for driver's license.
If your earning is enough that you can support yourself and your family, you are not eligible for getting food from government on subsidized rates. It's for poor.

I will go to superior officer, if he refuses as well, I'll go to judiciary.

Do you think I'm a guy with no idea of what is a lokpal? Do you think I'm clueless about it? Nope mate, you are mistaken. I know and understand lokpal very well, that's why I don't have any hope for it.
You wanna know why?

Take a look at proposed Lokpal Bill -

Fair Enough

Now let's see, Judiciary is free from ministerial influence, how many ministers do you know are/were convicted for criminal charges? How does being free from ministerial influence ensure that people on the investigation panel can not and will not be bribed or pressurize?

80% Government employees and 95% of Judges retire with an absolutely clean record on paper. That proves that there is not much corruption in Govt. offices and judiciary now, doesn't it?
Also, election is a transparent and participatory process, all electoral candidates are supposed to have a clean record, we all know how it works now, don't we?

And we assume that selection committee will do it's work by the book. Fair enough.

Just in a way every Government department publishes it's dealing on it's website.

Who will investigate, who will ensure the integrity of people responsible for investigation?

What will be the method of recovery? How will it be different than the one implied by judiciary?

Will they investigate that whether citizen is actually entitled to get the work done? If yes then who will investigate? If no, then who will ensure that whatever the complainant is saying, is truth and nothing else?

Yet again, who will investigate? What will ensure the integrity of the people responsible for investigation?

Okay..

Okay..

So mate, do you have answers of the questions raised by me? Do you really understand the proposed lokpal panel?
If you don't have the answers then no worries, sit down and think about it. You will find the sense in what I'm saying..

 

Sorry if I bumped and bypass other posts. But who is Anna Hazare? What is her background? Is she coming from a political clan?

 

He (Its a guy) is a Gandhian social activist, not associated with any political party or clan. He is associated with Gandhian ideology.

Who is Anna Hazare?

 

Do you have a children?(I know maybe you are unmarried but How you will proof that they are your child?)

If they deny then?

90%

Its a enough to select good candidate..

Lokayukta

Our country is listed in top 10 corrupted counties..

- Do you think we need to change this or live with corruption? do you think about your next generation?
- 2G spectrum, CWG,etc...??

Just a thoughts.. please rethink..

 

You get a birth certificate issued on the spot by the hospital. Trust me, you do not have to pay a dime to get the birth certificate of your kid. It is one of the easiest thing to get.

Judiciary doesn't deny your request just like that. If judiciary has basis to deny (e.g you are making an outrageous claim for FIR that no law or act supports) your appeal/request then no one, including lokpal or lok yukta, can force police to accept your complaint.

90%?
lol, Alright if 90% of accused ministers are convicted on criminal/fraud charges, then WHY the heck we need Lokpal? System is working as its supposed to work.

What? I said - And we assume that selection committee will do it's work by the book. Fair enough.
What is the basis of assumption that selection committee will work by the book?

What? What Lokyukta?
I asked - Will they investigate that whether citizen is actually entitled to get the work done? If yes then who will investigate? If no, then who will ensure that whatever the complainant is saying, is truth and nothing else?

You didn't bother to answer my all questions. Either you don't care, or you simply have no idea.

What are you doing for it?

Yes we need to change this. However, Lokpal is not going to change it.
The only thing that can change it is us. We can change it and we don't need a lokpal for it.
The day we stop thinking about the caste and religion of the candidates we vote for and evaluate them on individual merits. The day we will stop electing a representative with 50 page long criminal history sheet just because he belongs to our caste. The day when we stop offering bribes to do something illegal and accept that there is a law against what we wanna do for a reason. The country will be corruption free. Till that day, no matter how many lokpals are made, how many lokyuktas are made, things will remain fucked up.

Just a thought, Start thinking independently.

 

I have no idea who are you but I only come to this section of DP for reading your posts.

 

I'm just a regular guy mate.. But I'm a hardcore nationalist with an independent thinking..

 

So why govt. make a rasan card? Its a very difficult to get a rasan card, DL,etc...

Lokpal bill can force them to accept F.I.R, for judiciary please read Human Rites site articles..

Lok pal bill is only for corporation, not for criminal..

Lok pal member will investigate complains, If they do something wrong then you can fill a case against lok pal member.. (Lok pal members will be elected by peoples... 100% transparent..)

For this you need to wait for next 50 - 80 years...

 

hehehe, that's funny but possible

why is a man named anna?

 

Ah, no wonder you support Lokpal bill so blindly. You are completely clueless.

First of all, its "ration" card, and it's for what it says, to get ration on a subsidized rate. It's not your ID proof, it's not your child's birth certificate, it's not anything else but just to get ration, from government controlled public distribution centers.

And it is difficult to get a ration card or a driver's license or anything else, because people of India are willing to pay bribes to get the things done.

What the heck human "rites' [its 'rights' by the way] has anything to do with judiciary? Are you claiming that Judges molest, torture or sodomize people in their chambers?

And what exactly does corporation has to do anything with Government, or even public?

Mate do you even know what you are talking about? Tell me, does corruption fall in criminal offense, according to Indian penal code?

And what makes you think that lokpal panel will be free from corruption?
If electing people through a transparent system ensures corruption free environment, why our parliament is not free from corruption?
You do elect your representatives through a participatory and transparent system.

No this will never happen because people don't care, they don't take responsibility.. They want corruption to magically disappear, while they want to remain corrupt themselves.
You believe that lokpal will somehow make the system totally efficient. And I believe that Santa Clause is real..


Get a clue mate, get a clue...

 

Main problem is I read lok pal bill from starting and I know more about this bill...(I know how lokpal system will work, how corrupt peoples will punish, what happen If lokpal member involve in corruption, etc.. )

Yes..

Its because of there is no rule on minimum education qualification.. anyone can get a Ticket..

If they don't care then they need a strict rule like "lok pal bill"

 

So click his name, then click view forum posts, find a thread outside of P&R and ADD to this user's reputation. That way you can REALLY show your appreciation.

 

Is that a problem? Why did you even read it then?

And certainly you seem to know more about this bill, more than Anna Hazare himself.

Yes? Then go back and read your own post. You don't make any sense dude..
You change tracks like a long distance express train.. Let me quote the golden parts of your posts.

Let me see, you are clueless about Judiciary, the lokpal bill, the root cause of the corruption. And you think that reading the bill content is a problem. What the heck mate?

Yeah, but the same people who vote to elect morons, will vote to elect people for lokpal panel. And what guarantee is there that they wont be electing morons in lokpal panel?
Don't even bother answering...

Jeez, Good luck with your Lokpal Mantra.. It's not a bill or panel, it's a magic wand..
Yeah, once lokpal arrives, everything will be wonderful and we will live in a wonderland..
No matter which moron we elect, he will turn into genius over night.. People will still try to get away from traffic ticket by offering Rs 50 in bribes, but lokpal will vanish the corruption!!
Yes sire, that will be the magic of lokpal. Nothing will change, we will remain corrupt but everything will be fine!!

 

Yeah, that's as bad as A Boy Named Sue!

 

He is not named Anna. Anna is a Marathi word meaning 'elder brother'.

His real name is Kisan Baburao Hazare.

 

I agree with you we need strong rule against corruption .....then only next generation live without corruption...

1. 2G spectrum corruption form (1992 to 2011 )
2. Common wealth corruption
3. Adarsh Housing corruption
4. Karnatak mining scam
etc....

This only we know but there are more corruptions in hiding

we leave this corruption means all ministers create more Acc in Swiss bank, ... Then Govt increase Tax , diesel , petrol, etc
then people only in trouble....

 

And why really is this arrogance for? Is is bad to appreciate members' contributions?

 

What you think how we can stop corruption?

 

We have to be unite against it and there should be transparency in every process....
Transparence of process is the key to reduce Corruption....

To change the system first we need to change ourself

I have found one interesting article over net about corruption - Some Facts about Corruption

http://firstdestination.co.in/2011/08/17/facts-about-corruption/