Wonderful, so we should consider something that is "unexplained", probably just a fragment of your wild imagination... How do you even know that there is actually something called spirit?
Why do I have to think about it, weren't "holy" books were written so I wouldn't have to? Bible said god made a man in his image. Are you saying bible is full of shit? I'd have to agree with you. Why it cannot be created? I was making spirits on my kitchen since I was a kid. All you need is sugar and water..
If you actually had Religious Education when you were at school, you would know that the "God" being a "man" is just a symbol. And anyway, where did I say I was referring to any religion? The word God is just a meaning of this 'spirit' which created the universe.
You mean religious brainwashing of little kids? Luckily I went to a no bullshit private school where we didn't have to put up with such crap. We were taught to be independent thinkers and doers. Again the question arises, how could you possibly know that there is actually a spirit? You believe so because this is what you were taught in the school? Or by your parents? Or is it your own hypothesis?
Haha Now and then would be a miracle. Try...a "What the eff" reply almost always...without fail. I don't know if anyone who can defend a hypothesis that there's an invisible man that we should blatantly accept without question, who can't sound completely rediculous. And to think, people like Kent Hovind are the best defenders theism can come up with. Most theist just expect us to take their fudged bullshit as fact, and then are shocked when we don't nod our heads and say "amen" like everyone at church. Like what other answer? God was just always there, floating around in nothingness, just chilling out, smoking a dubi before He up and decided to create the earth? Seriously, you're breaking your own rules. If intellegence or complexity is a sign of a creator, then shouldn't this intellegent being (GOD) need a creator as well? There's so much wrong with this argument. There is no scientific proof God DOES exist, so why do you need scientific proof he doesn't exist? There is no scientific proof of ANY form creating the universe, because the universe was not created.
Before the "big bang" or "start of the universe" there was no matter, space or time. We know scientifically that NOTHING can't produce SOMETHING (our universe) so that means SOMETHING had to exist before matter, space and time themselves. Now WHAT exists outside of matter (not made of matter itself), outside of time (not subject to the closed system of time at all) and outside of space, which makes it in-spacial aka omnipresent (everywhere at once).. Also whatever this timeless, space-less, matter-less thing was, it created our whole universe. For me, that sounds very familiar.
that's something, the universe was started by the big bang, but who put that super dense matter in the center for the bang? who sparked the big bang? matter can not be created or destroyed? but what was the first matter and how did it come into existence?
Matter can be created and destroyed, who says matter can not be destroyed or created? Are you confused between Energy and Matter? And please, do not quote "conversion of Mass" here, it's valid only in limited circumstances. Think at the quantum level, where we observe that particles are randomly created and destroyed all the time. We don't know, Nobody knows as of now...
if we are not talking a quantum mechanics and if energy is not lost: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass first paragraph from the link: "he law of conservation of mass, also known as the principle of mass/matter conservation, states that the mass of a closed system (in the sense of a completely isolated system) will remain constant over time. This principal is equivalent to the conservation of energy, in the sense when energy or mass is enclosed in a system and none is allowed in or out, its quantity cannot otherwise change (hence, its quantity is "conserved"). The mass of an isolated system cannot be changed as a result of processes acting inside the system. The law implies that mass cannot be created or destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space and changed into different types of particles; and that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products." i had to quote it, the particles that you are referring to have been converted into energy or the reminants are not observable as of now, correct me if i'm wrong. yup we can keep backing up until the ability that we have with observation can not measure what is postulated.
I knew it, I told you to not quote Conservation of Mass.. And what do you mean if we are not talking about quantum physics? Of course when you try to go in such deep levels such as space and time, quantum physics comes into the picture.. Again mass != matter A matter can be destroyed and changed into energy, energy can be changed back into a complete new matter.. Of course we do not have means to do it in home/lab right now, but scientists are already working on it.. No, you didn't have to quote it, because it is not a fundamental law that can not be violated.. as I said it's only valid in limited circumstances. I'm referring to photon pair production via high energy particle collision. And I'm a bit clueless here as for what you are implying...
That is the point here... It is just a matter of believing something unseen... God is a superhuman being which is above all things. I
Ya right it just so happens that there universe has a perfect force structure , the Sun is just right size , the earth is in the perfect orbit around it , the moon is just the right size to stabilize Earth , our planet has the perfect core and magnetic shield , DNA is has appeared out of just the right chemicals , a series of geological events have created the perfect fauna/flora for humans to prosper and even thou we're 98% genetically identical to the orangutan we're the only specie out of billions that has achieved sentience . As a specie we have managed in just 10.000 years to built a civilization that surpasses anything the universe has ever known . The probability of this chain of events happening is so small that if it was true then everyone should have won the lottery multiple times .
To the athesitic trolls who are hijacking this thread. 1. There is a big flaw in logic itself. You say their is a reason for everything. You say matter came from energy etc, then know this simple logical thing that "There is no need for their to be anything". If you feel the line is dumb then slap yourself and thnk over it. 2. You say god has logical flaws like if god created us then who created god then tell me what is the most fundamental particle. We know its not atoms we know its not electron and we havent reached it but if we do then how would it look like. Everything is made up of something and even when we havent found the most fundamental particle we cant even think of how it could be. Also, scientifically the universe is a sphere, so what is outside the sphere. 3. What gives humans consciousness. You can write a programme on C++ but you can never give it consciousness and emotions. 4. If you think logic is the only path to follow, then why dont you die. Life is simply meaningless whether you are happy or sad the whole time according to logic. Know qoute my post and throw me vague answers. The points i have given are very true if you go running around science. You like living your life but you will say why not live till we are not dead etc and just run away from the questions.
I may be wrong, but I remember hearing that the universe basically never ending if you know what I mean. If you keep on going, you will end up at the same part you began. The same as if you were to walk round the world. Therefore the universe is not a sphere.
There is no need for there to be anything, but there is something. If the universe didn't exist we wouldn't be here to contemplate the fact that it didn't exist. I don't understand why you think this is such an amazing point. We don't know what the most fundamental particle is, but our equations are predicting more and more subatomic and quantum particles all the time and our experiments are proving their existence. We have astounding mathematics that has the capacity to predict particles and astounding experiments which prove them. We are colliding hadrons and nucleus together at nearly the speed of light and all sorts of amazing stuff is flying out. For you to still whine that we don't know everything either shows how little you understand what it is we do know or are simply making unreasonable demands of science. It's true that the observable universe appears to be a sphere, but that is because of the universal constant, the speed of light. By virtue of the fact that the speed of light is limited to 186,000 miles per second and the universe is 13 billion years old we can only see a distance of 13 billion light years in every direction, hence the universe will appear to be a sphere, with us in the middle. This isn't the case though. The universe is also expanding, everywhere and in all directions. Even the space between you and your computer is expanding. It isn't expanding in the same way a balloon expands, in 3 dimensions, it's a multidimensional factor, and our brains can only contemplate 3 dimensional space. You don't need to be a genius, which is handy for you, to understand that an organism aware of it's own existence is better suited to protect it's own existence. There may be organisms in the universe which have a consciousness comparable to ours in the same way that ours is comparable to that of a mouse. Again, this is a point that proves nothing. This is such a stupid point i'm surprised you are willing to make it. Why would disbelieving in god make someone think life is meaningless? Surely if anyone should be willing to die it should be those infantile morons who think a magic sky daddy has a happy never never land waiting for them. It's the religious who think this life is a stop gap and that the real fun only happens after you die, to the atheist this is it, this is what matters and we don't get anything else. All of your "points", if i can use a word as inaccurate as "points" to describe what you said, seem to rely entirely on the god of the gaps fallacy. You simply highlight something that we don't currently fully understand and assert that a magic man done it. Even you should be able to see how weak that position is, even you.
My point of view ! If i've been Carpenter and i've created door Now , Does the rules (laws of using for example) applied on the door can be applied for me too (the creator of the door) ? Sure no cause i'm human and this is door So why we suppose that the same rules we using in this life among us is applied on the creator (God) too ! why we ask if god is female or male and does the god eat or not and who create the god ... etc (all this questions arise from our mind which is controlled and thinking in limited range of rules and laws) this universe must have limitation and bounded by certain rules and laws that logically may not even applied on the creator too. God is above all this rules and laws and not boundary by anything and thinking in god with same rules and laws applied on us is waste of time cause you are thinking about something that beyond your mind limit. but we knows god from creation earth,moon,sun,bear,worms...etc cause must created by something that must be above all rules and laws that boundary our life that is why we call it God , Gott , Dieu , ×ל , Dios , Dios , خداوند , الله , Tanrı .....whatever
The atheist ignore a lot of things in their quest not to believe . The only thing they are is another noisy minority that is bent on making their point even thou they have no point . Atheism has no many holes it's not even funny count them .
Yes what I said earlier is only evidence for theism.. but if it was God who created everything, which God was it? I believe in the Christian God because the Christian Bible is the only book in which the things it prophesied actually came true.