Paranormality: Phenomenon standing above science

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    Para normality is a phenomenon which is beyond the normal world and outside the range of a normal human mind, which cannot be explained by any scientific method but it is quite evident that Para normality exists throughout the world. It is a matter of human psychology, where human beings can see objects which are not considered as normal by common human beings, means the believers in science. That is why we say that though science has been ruling the entire world, everything cannot be measured by science because there are things in the world and outside the world which have no real scientific evidence. The researches and the experimentations run by the Para psychologists also do not have much relevance in the world of science and modernity

    Source: Paranormality Why we See what isn't There By Richard Wiseman (Book)
     
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    xDemevenx Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, there is no such thing as paranormal activity. There will always be science behind occurrences, and paranormal activity and superstition are only vehicles that allow people to create excuses for not understanding exactly what is happening. Even if there happens to be an event that is "unexplainable."

    Previously, people thought that levitation was a paranormal occurrence. But, with the use of electromagnetism, levitation is possible through the Hutchingson effect )\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LhvpC2lsCs

    Anything is explainable, but we are limited to how many new discoveries can be made because we do not have technology advanced enough to observe new physical postulates. "Paranormality" is simply a way to excuse human ignorance to what can not yet be explained.
     
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    I agree that most cases of paranormal things are just ludicrous, but then there are things that just cannot be explained no matter how much science you throw at it... All good scientists will say there is no proof for or against and that they keep an open mind about it... As technically all things (even ghosts) are possibly in the realms of physics.
     
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    I want to say I think it is all just a bunch of Hocus Pocus, but the superstitious side of me thinks that the ghosts love to prove skeptics like me wrong. I don't want to be dragged out of my bed in the middle of the night if you catch my drift...
     
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    Specifically what can not be explained?
     
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    Remember explained means you need hard proof for something, so...

    Unexplained lights in the sky
    Phoenix Lights
    The Amityville Incident
    Etc etc etc...

    Do I really need to go on?
     
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    Yes i do think you need to go on. Remember, "can not be explained" is not the same as "currently unexplained", there is also a big difference between ridiculous conspiracy theories about aliens and scientifically unexplained phenomenon.

    You let yourself down a bit here. You could have highlighted dark energy, the current inability to reconcile relativity and quantum mechanics or the fact that the expansion of the universe is, for some reason, accelerating as things that we at least currently have no explanation for. But you opted for these facile comic book examples about little green men and ghouls as a weakness in science, as though science is even interested in such bollocks.
     
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    I could have very easily mentioned anything which scientests belive, but they dont yet have proof for - dark matter, black holes, time travel anything.

    The use of "comic book examples" are due to the popluar media frenzy with the likes of roswell, 2012 or even hanted houses. You realise that "can not be explained" and "currently unexplained" by definition are exactly the same... No one has ever said because something at one point in the past was unexplained that it could never be explained, it goes with the territory that science will (probably) explain 99.9% of unexplained paranormal things but people belive...

    Also, every scientest knows that little green men are bound to exist using the laws of probablity, so for you to say science explains everything but then go to bash the idea of little green men is the most hypocritical thing you can even say...

    Also, if it was such "bollocks" then why do most governments fund space exploration for life on other planets? I guess you will say something along the lines of life on other planets isn't anything like little green men or ufos... but then again, thats unexplained...

    Its people like yourself that force most Physicists cringe - you argue the science is the only thing that matters, but you dont open your mind to the other parts of life...

     
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    In science it's important to remember it doesn't deal in "proofs", they exist only in mathematics. What science deals in is accumulative evidence, and there is certainly enough accumulative evidence to conclude that black holes, dark matter and time travel (at a fundamental particle level) exist and are possible.

    To claim that a "belief" in the existence of black holes is the same as a belief in ghosts and other such nonsense is frankly laughable.

    They certainly are not. Currently unexplained means we currently don't know the answer, can not be explained means we will never know the answer.

    I agree the probability of life existing on other planets in the universe is so high it's almost certain. What i am saying is there is a difference between life existing on other planets and it being able to get here in their little spaceships to probe peoples anus' in the nevada desert.

    I think you probably watch too many films, it has made it difficult for you to differentiate between fantasy and science.
     
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    "can not be explained" doesn't mean it will never be explained - that's just fundamental English to be honest, for it to be never explained then then the use of a time frame would be required within the sentence... So as I said, yes I am correct.

    Also, I actually study astro-physics and have done a lot of research into things such as black holes and time travel (not a lot into time travel though) and the use of words such as "can not be explained" are splattered around hundreds of research papers and they come with the assumption that it meant when the ink hit the paper... In other words just because states that something can not be explained doesn't mean that it will never be explained... That's just idiotic.

    It amazes me that I mentioned genuine things and never at one point mentioned aliens, green men or anal probing but you brought it up right away... Your the one that has been watching too many movies, you seem to think because some has a different opinion to you that they believe in green men probing people. Something that couldn't be further from the truth. You need to take a step back and understand the conversation before jumping to conclusions.

    Also, one other thing... before we were able to prove black holes which wasn't that long ago there was actually more proof, evidence and the maths ads up for spirits roaming the earth... So again, do research before saying its laughable... The only thing laughable is your attitude to embarrassing yourself...

    I make the assumption that your an Atheist as your signature says, the crying card of someone that doesn't believe in anything unless science proves it... You will also not believe in life after death, which is something I struggle to get my head around - I really can't believe in science and life after death, but I want to believe in both. But... the next time you meet a physicist ask them if they believe in life after death, you will never get a proper answer and if you get the answer of no, ask them to explain what happens to them... What will they see for the rest of time? A dark nothingness? A better place? Its the one unexplained mystery that will probably never be solved.

    anyway... I don't want to argue with you, I assume we agree to disagree... Although I honour someone that sticks up for something that believe in, or what they don't believe in.

     
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    to be gramatically correct, you should say "can not be explained at this time". what you read in research papers is being taken out of context by you probably.

    science is a tool for man, it helps us understand what is already present, religion is something to hedge your bets in life (what if this religious stuff is accurate?). simple enough?
     
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    Yes it does. Because it "can not" be explained, that makes it inherently unexplainable. I'm not sure if English is your first language so if it isn't, just trust me on this, i've been speaking it for a very long time. And if it is, then you should know better.

    Oh, interesting. Where were you published? Or do you use "study" and "research" to mean "i sometimes watch discovery channel"?

    No there wasn't. There was hokum and mumbo-jumbo, which is all this kind of bollocks ever amounts to.
     
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    You can't be more wrong than you actually are.. By definition "Can not not be explained" and "currently unexplained" are entirely two different things. Judging from your grammar and spelling mistakes, I'd agree with stOx that English doesn't seem to be your first language. So do some research in English language and literature and study English grammar as well (It may actually help you in the real life).

    There is nothing in the science that 'can not be explained'. Science is all about finding the explanation behind events. Things may be "currently unexplained" meaning 'unexplained at this time'.
    You must be reading all sort of wrong papers.

    What evidence? What maths? What proof?

    What afterlife? Dude when you are dead, you are dead, there is no afterlife.. Anything that's left behind is a rotting corpse. Now if you want to believe in an imaginary skyland, suit yourself.
     
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    wtf is going on here... Sorry but looks like I left my account open with friends over...

    I'm not a scientest, I am just a software developer... I can't really see the point that who ever was replying was trying to get at...

    Also, English is my first language - what you are describing as a grammer mistake is not a grammer mistake, its syntactical with words missing. The grammer is perfectly acceptable, and I see the problem between the two phrases... But lets be honest both explanations are up for debate - English is known to be the most complex laguage to master, with assumptions made all over the place so I can understand both arguments.

    As for the paranormal stuff, I have an interest in paranormal but purely for the reason that I would love for something to come up that I wouldn't instantly think "thats a load of crap"...

    Anyway guys, I will tell all my friends to not log into my computer in future or either get there own accounts... Last time I have a house party!
     
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    epic fail HorrorMovies, i am saying this from experience references.

    [video=youtube;WC5FdFlUcl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC5FdFlUcl0&ob=av2e[/video]


    my uncle told me stories about ghosts, i have not weight it much but for fantasy appreciation (you know the feel of spooky, but not dwelling on it afterwards besides fatasty appreciations afterwords).

    I am not sold on what is paranormal and what is not, keep presenting your findings and we will see how it goes, but present what you know and what you are wondering about, don't pretend that you are something you are not.

    non-scientists can read science publications, but you do not have to be an expert on the topics in this forum or for other discussions, but have something of interest to talk about, like you have.

    be honest about your presentations about these topics, you will get more satisfaction from your presentations when you do so.
     
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    hahaha...Burned... Although Audioslave are amazing! Epic fail on my half, facebook was fraped too... What nice riends I have!

    I done well at high school for my sciences, not degree level - although 2 guys at my house the last day or two have phds in physics so probably one of them...

    True, I just keep an open mind about paranormal stuff, Im not a beliver but Im not a non-neliver I am just someone that sits and reads all the reports about paranormal... It would change the world if someone was too 100% prove paranormal things.
     
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