Here ya go with poxylipsitis, portraying one's own failings on others. It is you that is not reading if you have no idea what i'm on about. It is you fearmongering when you know that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Sharia to become law in any THINKING society. For you to be on that track shows you are the racist redneck type, fair enough, "i'll fight for your right to say that too" but I won't sit here quietly while you mouth off and propagandise racist opinions, inciting fear for the fucking sake of it. Not on.
Fearmongering? So we should just not discuss their demands? Go back to Nazi Germany were you can enjoy one sided debates. Racist opinions? Point out where I stated that one race is superior to another. Stop pulling words out of your arse, there's no propaganda anywhere in my post, all I did was post a RT article and give my opinion that the countries these dangerous lunatics originate from are shit. Not once did I say all Muslims are like these, so stop trying to play the race card you fool.
So muslims are a race ? Nice one Bushy . So the civil rights movement and all the civilian protests where idiots craving attention ? Because that's what you're basically saying . #Gay rights They encourages the gay choice therefore removing more females from those i can choose and creating more HIV carriers , they lead to street blocks when the gay parade is marching , they rob me of a decent amount of taxes to pay for the police armored column necessary to protect the gay pride parade , they take of time from politicians who instead of need to give attention to the nosy minority , they annoy me by pretending to marry and mocking marriage and they increase the strain on the future medical budget by creating little monsters from the children they adopt . #Sharia Look at how it affects the people of Iran , Pakistan and Somalia . Now you see how hollow your reply is ? You already answered as usual by having zero facts and only insults pretty much like a 2 year old brat , therefore i'll reward you accordingly . Now , what do you want to suck on you pacifier or your baby bottle ? The asylum seekers where granted the right to live and work in the country and they were repayed for their economic contributions accordingly . That makes them a part of the UK just as much as a the repair man is part of your family . He's as British as a English guy in Pakistan , the fact that he's a drug user makes no difference . He's a immigrant and we'll be so for eons to come . Unlike the U.S. the E.U. was built 100% by the Europeans . Difficult ? Yes but doable . Switzerland and Japan are examples of that . Especially those that refuse to integrate have no place here , since they're not happy why not give them the chance to go back to a culture and country that they surely love . And wait until the problem becomes a festering boil that takes years and many millions to cure ? Wait maybe until they perform another 7/7 ?
Discuss it in jest? possibly. Discuss it as a concern? Absolutely not. The fact your ears have alerted to a story about A HANDFUL of extremists points to the FACT that you must be looking out for stories like this for it to grab your attention. ONLY RACIST REDNECKS (IMHO) would seriously see this as A PROBLEM that may infiltrate into your society and affect you personally somehow. YOU'RE the one here being Nazi for stifling THEIR OPINIONS that obviously PARLIAMENT won't have a bar of so they have to go out on the street to get attention, and it's only people like YOU who care about that.
SIR YES SIR! Jesus you have to be kidding me. I MUST be this and that because of your incredibly sharp deduction... The fact that you read so much into my points that don't exist show that either you've been affected badly in the past by certain people and have a chip on your shoulder or you're obsessed with race baiting. Keep going on about rednecks (dunno why you do since I'm English, not southern-American) it's fun to see you stumble over the irony. Complain about racism and propaganda then use the very same against me. Lovin' it!
You were that close to becoming the 2nd only person I've put on ignore here but nah... it's actually mind boggling trying to work out how anybody can be as real as you...you're good for the mind....takes me to places I wouldn't think of myself...can't personally get quite that low on the old IQ scale...so instead I give my thanks.
Man, can you see what year I joined? This isn't your first run. I've read MANY of your posts over the years. I know YOU and your type very well. My observation described in this thread is taken from YOUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS continuing with THIS THREAD..and again next year...and the year after...one day you might move to the US and be happy. I pay attention, do you?
Anyone with a British passport that does not break the laws can stay there permanently and he can adopt whatever culture he wants, you cant force someone to live in a certain way, it goes against the freedom they preach, so yes, it's difficult to send them home or deny them rights since there are politicians and organisations who will stand up for their rights. Extremist preachers like Geert Wilders or Pastor Terry Jones are not even allowed entry into the UK, you see anyone with your kind of ideas is not even welcome in the UK. Things are different in the UK, you are not allowed to preach hate. The group that share your ideas would be the EDL, and they too are being carefully monitored by the government. Â Â Â Â They probably have about 100 members and rely on doing controversial things to get attention from media, like burning flags, burning poppys, demos at royal weddings etc These controversial things makes us talk about them as if they are a big threat, and they rejoice, but anyone with a brain can see they pose no threat whatsoever. So stop doing them a favor, you are not solving anything. If their ideas are so bad, nobody will accept it from them, so why worry.Â
Yeah so you're an eStalker, I get it. If you were paying attention enough you'd know that a large portion of my posts are in the same vain as yours, only time and experiences matured my beliefs. You may catch a glimpse of my personality from what little you can deduce from forum rants and such, but don't say you know me because you don't until you meet me in person and sit down with me. I understand what you and Israel are saying about ignoring these silly groups as they pose no real threat, but I hold the belief that everything should be debated, regardless of its urgency. Those idiots over in the US who picket soldiers' funerals and preach hate against gays, while have zero power and influence are worth discussing too, in my opinion. I can't win, you see. I've received bad rep. from Jewish supporters and flak from Islam supporters. This is nothing personal against them as a whole, if I see groups of individuals doing what I consider to be outrageous, I'm going to start a discussion about it. That's what a the word forum means. I don't understand why they'd waste their time chasing the minutely possible dream of changing the law system of this land when there are already such hellish places that exist. Wouldn't they be happier in Iran or Saudi Arabia?
Don't flatter yourself, you're not 'that' important to me. This is what annoys me most about your retorts. I say I've been a member for over three years, and I READ and pay attention to what people say. You, who may have posted 400-600 times in the time since I joined, turn that into I'm an eStalker lol, why? because I read your posts in a forum I frequent. Let's look at the evidence. I do not follow you around and you will NOT find me in your recent visitors list. I simply READ YOUR POSTS as you post them, then I remember the GIST of the convo and respond accordingly. No malice intended, my main intention is to create a debate. You started name-calling this time round with 'lazy git' when you could have just left that out, then you moved on to playing the man more than the conversation ("I can't believe men like you still exist!"). which didn't really help your cause. Your initial arrogance there to start with, adds points to the personality index I already have of you in my head, though you have a few points on the good side, these particular points of yours are added to the negative side. When I was a child (English parents) I was taught that you can say ANYTHING if you say it right. (echoes of "it's not what ya say it's the way that ya say it" ringing in my ear.) Whilst we may hold similar views to who or what God is (and probably a couple more things), your views on permitted violence (and health care) is 100% opposite to mine. Admit it, you would prefer to have a gun so you can go and shoot these people don't you...? j/k No. From this side reading, time hasn't changed a thing for you it seems to me. You're still in England complaining about living there and what others are doing to ruin YOUR country. What's changed in the last 3 years exactly? Why haven't I seen ONE post from you describing how great it is living there as opposed to living in Iraq for instance? Surely there's something good about the place (much of my family lives there), but we never hear it from you. When you returned this time around I expected to read you were now living in the US. I have no beef with you personally, just what you're spruiking when you go on about YOUR country. In my recollection, the first time WE argued here was about 9/11 - up until OUR conversations I believed it was all as it seemed as I watched those planes go in too. It was YOU who made me watch a whole pile of 9/11 videos and look further into it and that's probably why I remember you so well. Now I must admit I too am questioning WHO was really behind it. You DID open my eyes to that. BTW: I think Alex Jones is an idiot but do agree there is a LOOOT of evidence against what we've been told and a lot of unanswered questions. that's a different thread but my point is you're not as crazy as I thought you were originally lol. Even if 9/11 was played out exactly as we saw it, there is enough evidence around to make you question more than a couple of inconsistencies. Time will tell if I need to thank you for alerting me on that or whether I need to be upset with you for being the catalyst for wasting "a few weeks" of my life, literally. Here I totally disagree. Though I do agree with the need for people to assimilate within the laws of their new country 100%, I think you concentrate too much on the little picture when making your arguments. (I went to explain this in detail but removed it because it was too long. My thoughts on this will appear in another post.) Okay then, I'm pretty sure I know your type but agree I don't know you personally. I understand I am debating with the character you portray here and not you personally. I'm not sure I could sit down & have a beer with you in RL just yet though as it wouldn't be long before we were arguing with each other lol. I somehow have a feeling you would be in your khaki greens (army uniform) and carrying a 'legal' weapon of some kind. Thanks for clarifying that. Whilst I don't think it should be outrightly banned and have never claimed it should be I think the more the papers (and we) discuss things like this the angrier we get within ourselves. A minority is profiting from the rhetoric built up on 100% racism and you're simply feeding the frenzy by creating more interest in the group when in reality it is a story that will go absolutely nowhere. It won't be long before the rhetoric that it creates kills a few on both sides. The world will not miss them. By not discussing these freaks they will move on to something you will talk about. I do run a news web site and see the reasons why they publish so much rhetoric. They need something to fill the space between advertising and harsh rhetoric makes people respond, which means they come back for more. I often wonder how much Google pays out to extremists with contentious web sites that we all visit just to air our concerns, as opposed to the number of visitors who actually visit because they agree with the content. Welcome to DP P&R where faceless people use reps to silence dissent. Personally, I don't USUALLY hand out reps as I think they're a waste of time so it was not me. Any reps I give here are GREY (like you one you gave me recently was grey). This neither adds or detracts from rep count. Because of this quirk I can't see the point of handing out reps. But, it seems anyone with a higher rep can do damage or rewards quite easily. So, I think, if someone has given you red then it was either a member with good rep or was given in another forum thread (if you post in other forums). I must admit it annoys me when I see IsraeI & Breeze Wood on red all the time but other regulars (like me) can't do anything to top them back up. So, to me it really only serves as a constant reminder of the personalities behind some of the members here and what they do to try and hold your opinion back. What it boils down to is if you are concerned about your rep here, then don't post. The first year I was here I was doing a fair bit of business and was concerned about my rep. When I was first attacked I got out of here so it wouldn't affect my business side but now, after learning all the personalities in other threads too, I've learned they either want my money or they don't and my rep really didn't come into it. That works for me. On this I heartily agree. My bigger picture which may explain where i'm coming from?: I believe you should be able to come and go wherever you please. If each country was set up with different rules (defined by each country openly) and we could travel between each country anytime, living by their rules whilst there, that would be heaven to me. If country A was set up with Sharia and country B Christian, country C Atheist, country D Buddhist, Country E Islam etc. then everyone could live in the country that had the rules they wanted. What is yours? Where should we head?
What do you expect me to say when you question statistics I give that clearly have not only a title, source of research but also the authors' names? You are lazy if you ignore this. Also, to claim the moral and mature high ground is quote embarrassing when you claim meat eaters or hunters should be killed. To create debate is one thing, but attempting to stifle and question my expression is different. I wasn't referring to these views. Go back and read carefully. Years ago I had the reverse views on health-care, gun control, socialism, 9/11 and even meat - I used to be a veggie. Then you haven't been paying close enough attention. See my above post. Like I said, you haven't been paying close enough attention. In fact, my opening posts in this thread are of pride for this country and its history. There is much wrong with this country and debates can only really articulate by discussing them. What use is a debate about the good points? I'm glad I had some affect on your views. AJ may sensationalise or be too rash for most peoples' liking, but when you sit down and really think about these issues a red-blooded man should be angry and act as such, in my opinion. I'm of no "type". In fact, I've heard many times how atypical I am with regards to my image and beliefs, for example. Funny you should mention army uniform, yesterday I wore my ex-British army combats and assault boots; looking pretty trim and built if I do say so myself You wouldn't think I opposed all current conflict and colonialism my country is entangled in, but that's my point. By the way, there are no legal weapons here. That's why I speak so much about the fabian oppression here. We're not even allowed pepper spray let alone tasers. Like I said I don't think it's relevant as to where the story goes. My beliefs aren't founded on vanity or how popular a story is. It angered me to see them doing what they did so I expressed myself. I'm not asking you to read what I write or agree with me. I promise you I never gave you any reputation recently. In fact, I don't think I ever have. I'm not the type to give cowardly, unsigned rep. So again, so much for "knowing me". I'm not as concerned about reputation as you may think. You're confusing my passion and attitude. Anyway, cheers for taking the time to respond to my post. While yesterday's posts of mine appear angry and aggressive, it's not my primary method of deliverance. I am very diverse and dynamic in this sense - my opinions are so varied labels and categories have no use, to an extent that the vast majority of people (mostly in person) can't see past it and fall victim to it as an obstacle instead of actually addressing my logic.
Your first post contained no links, just a story. My first comment referred to that post. I'm guessing you were attempting to give me a GREEN, not RED, though you may deny this if you like, then the rest of that paragraph might be true. NPs. Labels make things easy. If we didn't label a table a table then how do we descibe it? And thanks for admitting the army greens. I got ya pegged lol. j/k
Ah! Yes of course I attempted to give you green, otherwise I wouldn't have given the praise I did Strange for it to be grey, unless I'm correct in thinking that all rep. in this forum section are grey? I thought you were referring to a red rep. from me which is why I couldn't recall it.
So...is it alcohol? What makes you forget things so fast...? There you 'promised' you never gave me rep, though I'll forgive that proven lie, but really you seem to have no recollection of our previous conversations. Not that i'm picking, just wanting a reason you're so dismissive of others, and so quickly.
Alcohol? I very rarely drink and have not been drunk for many years. Don't be so hasty, it was no lie. I assumed you were referring to a negative rep. I left. If you'd implied a positive rep. I wouldn't have dismissed it. Can you elaborate?
I know, was stupidly having a unneccessary dig and apologise. Showing you how easy it is to twist things your way (or my way in that case) whilst retaining the whole truth of an event. You can make anything out of anything, a trick I learnt from Obamanation.
I have a lot of conversations and debates with many people. My memory is not that great but I wouldn't expect others to remember conversations with me.
See, you're "specialer" than you thought, lol. I sometimes wonder if that's where most of the rhetoric comes from. People who understand that creating a contentious argument makes people remember them. Here I think you naively did that to me a few years ago.
You're correct in thinking that I don't have any agenda or motive behind my arguments. I just put forward my views with nothing behind them but my logic and (in cases that require them) independent sources.