Congrats visio! I'm glad to know you're helping to close the gap. So if I understand you correctly, you get the majority of your revenue stream from capitalizing on Google's native flaws? There's nothing wrong with that and I can certainly understand how anyone acting on my sentiments might be percieved as a threat to your current way of life. That would not be my intent at all if such a competitor to Google was created. Just as you've already pointed out, there are competitors like AltaVista, Hotbox, MSN and Yahoo that still exist in spite of Google's market dominance. Even if a competitor were created that replaced Google as the dominant force in the marketplace, Google will still continue to exist and require competent SEO help to manage the ability of sites to rise to the top of their SERPs.
Yeah damn Google for sending me fat checks! And for making me create sites with reasonable structure and content so they can know what the site is about. BASTARDS!
Meh to make good competition for google youd need to come up with an algorhytm much better than theirs, kinda hard to do seeing how good their results are.... :x
LOL--I can't refute that. I'm just suggesting that we acknowledge Google's flaws and prepare for the next stage so we're not caught with our pants down. Better yet if we could BE the next stage. That's all I'm suggesting here. Green rep to both of you for causing an early morning grin. "It's good to play the game--even better to be the game."
No I don't see it as a threat even if I thought you could create a better search engine. That is why I am such a good seo(forgive me for bragging) because I know how to adapt to changing times. When that times changes I will hop boats and work both Google and this new wonder engine. I make money off Google by putting sites where they belong. I have declined clients I knew I could easily put on the top of google just because I knew they didn't deserve the ranking. I don't work for any BH, GH, or semi WH sites. They must be white hat, ethical, quality, unique sites which deserve the rankings. In the long run I probably do little to make google relevant but atleast I am not going the other way I also optimize for MSN and work with clients for rankings there but Yahoo! needs a vacation from my sites as I get nothing from my rankings there. A ranking in google I recieve 1,500 uniques from got my 7 in Yahoo
It's not bragging if you can indeed deliver. If only there were more likeminded people in the SEO business, but alas the BH and GH continue to thrive and undo much of your hard work. In the end there's little any of us can do to make Google relevant, because Google has already declared themselves so (10/10 in the page ranking--talk about arrogant). It's funny, but it's also sad that Yahoo hasn't a clue why they are no longer the king of the hill. And yet they have not changed their business model to adapt. Yahoo's management has serious problems IMHO. Getting declined from their beta advertising program (adsense copycat) didn't break my heart.
The PageRank is automated and since they are the 2nd largest site(I believe) the 10/10 is probably accurate. Yahoo has a 9/10 I agree their publishing program is nuts. I was also declined but my 'friend' who owns a gambling(unethical practices and bh methods) was accepted. Like you I didn't mind much as their ads aren't as relevant. I even sent them a letter and they ignored it. I sent Google a similar letter and within 48 hours they had added my request to my account. I was stunned. I have been ignored by Google before too however and that didn't make me very happy....
And sometimes inactions, such as ignoring the problems with 302 hijacks... They did nothing toward relevance, and the majority of the sites using that exploit (puposely) to their advantage were also using AdSense. Domains used in that manner - clearly on purpose - should have been banned forever, but Google is still listing them. What about Ask.com? They have made some major improvements...
I believe that has been fixed mate. And sites that have adsense and are disobeying tos don't get deleted until they make some $$$ isn't that awesome? Ask.com is nowhere near even Yahoo yet. They are trying to look like they are improving but got a long ways to go.
Bottom line: the G SERP's are still very good when it comes to non-commercial listings. G doesn't care about complaints like the one's found in this thread, because they're from bitter webmasters who are trying to make it with commercial sites. You can get to the top with a commercial site in G, but be prepared to wait, because, from my experience, the sandbox is at least 3 times as long when it comes to highly competitive, commercial content. Until your time comes, keep your content fresh, keep paying for AdWords ads, and...wait...
Hmmm, I think everyone else in this thread is siding with Google on this one. That would make me the one bitter webmaster you are referring to. Me bitter? Hardly. Even if I was making a bundle off my adsense, I'd be questioning why so many hoops. I think to some it's a game, a challenge to master their opponents (everyone else on the internet) by getting better revenue stream from adsense, and higher standings in the SERPs and in the PR. OK, I guess that beats D&D. Rather than being bitter, I'm all about innovation--finding a better way. Where others see problems (and even where they don't) I see opportunities. But if everyone is OK with status quo, then who am I to argue? One dissenting voice does not a French Revolution make. Carry on.
I am no G evangelist. Trust me: Team AdSense took close to $1,000 of my hard earned money with no explanation. But the company offers some top quality products, including AdSense, adwords, gmail, g maps -- the list goes on. And their non-commercial SERP's are still very good. If you are in it for the money, then do the SEO thing -- white hat, of course -- and hope for the best. Gotta' play the game like the rest of us. Then you have that in common with the folks @ G. Why do you think M$ hates them so much?
Google can be a good money maker IF you know how to use it right! Those of you who are complaining about Google are doing things wrong. Don't hate it, just use it right! It's as simple as that. Didier
For me... i had my days and that's it. With one site earlier at 2004, i was cashing something like $200 daily from adsense for a long year.. it was damn fun. After that site started collapsing (MLM)... i tried for some 6 months to get that rate again, never succeeded. So i just forgot about adsense (still have it running but not my aim) and returned back to my original business with affiliates, hosting, etc.. Forget about google, as mentioned before, they are turning all into space monkeys. "space monkeys" copyright 2001 - Tyler Durden
SEO is like surfing for me. Its hard to get up but as soon as you are used to ride the waves its just freakin great I'm still trying not to get smashed once in a while but if you have the right ideas and know the basic craft of SEO it's great fun and good for gamers. 3 years ago I got my kick when I was playing online shooters, now I make my marketing moves and get the kick from checking my stats. I don't care too much about Google and in the meantime do some link baiting.