Global Nightmare: America on the brink of....

@Chrissy: Greece's credit rating was A just 24 months ago. Amazing how quickly a country can go from green to pink.

For your entertainment, here is our president on his "Commitment to fighting government spending" a little over 90 days ago on tax day:

And here is 60 days ago when Obama's request for an extension to his credit line with no spending cuts whatsoever gets rejected:

Of course that is when our president decided that cutting government spending was something he thought of and proposed his $4 trillion dollar debt deal with only vague details about far off cuts and a trillion dollars in new taxes. I suppose he would need that trillion to help pay the trillion dollars of new spending his health care program will add to the budget over the next couple years. It was one of the few details his proposal was crystal clear about. Obama care would not give up one red cent of the money slated for it ( since half a trillion of that cash had already been stolen from Medicare).

Personally, I'm just happy we have such a man of the people heading up our great nation, ever watchful of the budget, never a worry about politics, or appearances, or getting re-elected. He's so smart, he makes the rest of us look like idiots.

 

@Obamanation

In the quote that I posted, it said the 67% statistic is from "a poll released Thursday by Quinnipiac University." In the second part of my quote (the part from Gallup), it doesn't list a percentage, but just says "most Americans want the deal to include a mix of spending cuts and tax increases." The poll you posted appears to support that notion. I don't even know who Jeffery Immelt is. I think you know, but the author of the article I quoted from is Charles Riley. I guess the idea of having large corporations pay their fair share of tax, and eliminating loopholes is fairly common.

What do you mean it's depressing? I think the song is so beautiful. Yesterday, I was listening to all their songs on YouTube - I like "Numb" as well. It's kind of depressing that I just discovered them, it just shows how out of the loop I am. I only own 2 music CD's - one is Pink and the other is Sarah McLachlan. lol.

Anyway, thanks for your comments. Obviously, I didn't respond to all. To be honest, some I wasn't sure what to say. Others, I felt like it would take too long to explain my position. I might take a break from the forum again for awhile. Job is going really well - I'm really starting to feel comfortable. They asked today if I might want to work longer hours, plus I'll be going to school. So, not as much time as when I was unemployed. Ha Ha. Anyway, feel free to PM me anytime. Have a good one.

 

Rebecca, thanks for using the normal talking points but note that oil companies don't get any special breaks. They get the same business tax breaks that every other business in the US gets.... To lower the fact that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world now that Japan lowered theirs.

An additional note, conservatives and anyone who is responsible and smart only want the government to live within their means without reaching in to everyone's pockets to pay for programs that many people do not want to pay for. It is stealing and stifles any growth and prosperity. It is incredibly destructive to continue to borrow when everyone knows the consequences over time. The government doesn't care. They can just continue to print while shouting nonsensical platitudes of "the rich don't pay their fair share", which in reality they pay far MORE than their fair share. I believe the top 2% pay 60% (may be off a few percent) of the ENTIRE tax burden. Let's face it... The 47-50% who DONT pay taxes at all just want those who are successful to pay their way.. Me me me ... They said. They elect people who will vote themselves a piece of the treasury... The end of any nation..... It's socialism.

The media doesn't tell you that the bush tax cuts have allowed many people who work 2 and 3 jobs in their household to not feel that tax pitch especially when trying to achieve the dream of owning a home (mortgage interest deduction) or go to school to complete that degree (tuition deduction). They just use those tax cuts to justify raising taxes, which you should only do when the economy is growing because it stops growth.

So please... Spare me the talking points, stop the who screwed us the most, and fix the present. If you cant fix the problem, figure out a way to prepare for a repeat of history.

 

47-50% who DONT pay their taxes - what a crack up!

People pay taxes on EVERYTHING! Buy a house, you pay TAX, buy a car you pay TAX, buy a loaf of bread you pay TAX, buy some eggs for your bacon you pay TAX - NOBODY pays NO TAX.

The people screaming ME ME ME, are the well off, not us poor people who are happy to share.

 

Sure sounds like you'd want to see the U.S. bit the dust Helvetii

It's not common sense it's just mathematics .

 

Once an idiot always an idiot, without fail.
If I keep reading your post anymore, I'll suffer from Lost IQ syndrom.. Hence you are going into iggy bin, You will find a nice company there from your buddy IsraeI, who joined my iggy bin just yesterday.

 

Yes, the writer of that article is well versed in the art of lying with polls. I didn't even notice that he used two polls to construct his lie, so I took the time to  look at the second poll. It is also quite interesting. Here is how they asked the question:

First, it is noteworthy that this poll indicates that 25% of the public wanted only spending cuts, while the Gallup poll put that number at 20%. By giving such a simplistic comparison with no other alternatives, they achieved an overwhelming appearance of opposition to cuts only, but at the cost of driving up that number up to 25% when that extra 5% might have flown over to another number. Not to worry, though. The author of the article gladly borrowed that one statistic from the gallup poll to try and drive his argument home(lie). Interesting that CNN's author didnt include this question from the Quinnipiac poll:

So they asked a question about whether we would like to see wealthy corporations GE (Jeffery Immelt) pay their fair share and get one answer they like, so they publish it. The next question which clearly points out most people believe Obama's tax hikes for the wealthy will actually be tax hikes for the middle class is curiously absent, but absolutely relevant to the first question.

Jeffery Immelt is the CEO of General Electric. The idea of having large corporations pay their fair share becomes a lot more popular when you read articles like this. I'm not sure if laughter or anger is the correct response to Immelt's image being used front and center as a speaker on your biased CNN article about Americans opposed to spending cuts only, when Immelt is the poster child of tax avoidance and cronie capitalism. 

I guess 2.4 million dollars in donations to Democratic causes in 2009 alone were a smart investment. You should read the NY Times article in full length. It will open your eyes to just how much the Fox is running the Hen House. It takes some audacity to have these people council the American people on "Taxes for big corporations and the wealthy". That must be the Audacity of Hope. /Fuming.

Aw, come on. It is depressing. Strikes me as private room rave party junky music. You should check out St. Germain. I suspect you would like it as well. 

 

What is truly funny is your innate inability to produce a source.

And yes, the argument is about dem vs. rep. The president cannot spend a dime without the approval of congress.
Re-visit the dates and numbers and increases you're complaining about and then look at whole controlled congress.

Make more sense now?

 

It was a printed news-paper mate, do you want me to scan it?

I stand corrected though, seems like my source either mistakenly or deliberately printed wrong numbers.
And I accepted that three times already, but it doesn't matter to you, does it? Questioning my ability to produce a source, while I'm accepting that I could have made a mistake (which seems like I certainly did), and providing an alternative debt chart from US treasury website, is more important than the actual discussion and point of the thread, okay got it.

Also, yeah that makes a lot of sense, but doesn't provide any solution, does it?

 

I guess from my perspective you expect me to arrive at a conclusion when presented with an image of some numbers with no supporting evidence, fact, or credible source to back them up. So yeah, I'd kinda like to see the source.

That's the reason it makes sense to provide a source. Then people can fact check information. If we all relied on what someone said, regardless of whether or not it was true we'd all be like Gworld and Breeze.

 

I don't expect you to arrive at any conclusion based on those numbers, because I know the numbers were infact incorrect. But I expect you to stop beating the dead horse, when I admit I was wrong about my figures. My mistake that I didn't bother to cross check before posting them as a fact.

Point noted, duly.

 

You have no source for such a statement which is without merit and a repudiation of your own ignorance.

 

Breeze, are you a complete fucking idiot? Did you read the entire thread?
I'm not the one with the "source". I'm the one asking for it. Holy crap, you've gone from batty to completely mad.

 

 
You have made a statement I have not provided sources for my posts -  Where is your proof, you have none.

Your slander and name calling only serves to belittle this forum at everyone else's expense. 

 

Anyway, here is the source:

 

Thanks for confirming that you are an idiot.

Thank you.

 

Okay, I'll check that out later.

That's funny. We perceive the music so differently, I find nothing depressing in it. On the contrary, it seems so beautiful. I did check out St. Germain. I like them, but not in the same way. Portishead music would be something I would kick back and relax to, St. Germain might be something more I would play as background music while cleaning the house. I got sidetracked from St. Germain on YouTube, and started playing Louis Armstrong. I think there was so much beauty in his voice. Here's Dream a Little Dream:

[video=youtube;R-xzfwDAn1I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-xzfwDAn1I[/video]

Also, check out Moon River, Georgia on My Mind, and What a wonderful world.

Oh well, I guess I better get busy. Take care.

 

Now that is surprising. I too wouldn't expect to find innacurate and misleading numbers being put out in the Times of India, yet there they are. They even put a little partisan spin on their understated Obama numbers with the words "Fighting Recession, Fighting Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq", as if all Obama's spending had something to do with the previous administration. Then they attached the words "Tax cuts" to their overstated George Bush numbers, which many would argue have much greater recession fighting value than government spending.

The misleading commentary(presented as journalism) is common in US papers as well, but the blatant misrepresentation of the numbers would give me enough pause to question everything I read in that paper from here out. This is the state of Apathy that exists in the US now. More than a few polls indicate that, not only do we not believe anything most of the politicians tell us, but now most don't trust the news media honestly presents us the facts and figures, and rightly so.

I personally love old blues, but I don't find it depressing, even though they call it the blues. I guess there is something in it for everyone.

 

Yeah, it is.. I know that Times of India is biased against Republicans, They defend Obama for his every move. But you wouldn't expect them to lie about the numbers so blatantly and make things up.
I submitted my feedback and correct figures obtained from US treasury site. Also questioned the source of the information they provided. I don't expect to hear from them, though.

 

The 6.1 Trillion attributed to Bush in the Times Article includes the Iraqi war as an unfunded cost not included in yearly Congressional Budget.
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Your slander only serves to belittle this forum that allows for your unsubstantiated behavior...