Please do the right thing on Nov 7 and again in 2008 - Get Out and Vote!

There not lies to them. They really believe this stuff. Liberals always get the good drugs.

 

You had issues grasping that same concept just about two weeks ago in http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=161330&highlight=marijuana the marijuana thread.

 

The two are not relatable, even if you'd like them to be.

 

So because I didn't post a link to a source then It must not be true?

You posted a link to wiki and that counts as a source of what?

You really are just bickering, you don't really care about what we are talking about. You've just read that i'm against the war in Iraq and that I want democrats to take power so you have to disagree with everything I say.

If you really cared about the topic we have just exchanged words on then you would have done the google search I mentioned and you would have seen many sources which show you the information about the Falklands war veterans suicide rate.

OWNED?

 

Yes correlation alone does not prove causation, thats true.

But it is widely accepted in the UK by many relevant authorities (including Government) that fighting in a war can result in a high rate of mental health problems and an extremely high suicide rate. The suicide rate is so extreme that there is no doubt that the cause is the war factor and not other factors.

I am not expressing my opinion but simply what the empirical studies and physcological studies have found here in the UK.

I think its actually pretty insulting to war veterans that have these very serious problems to say that its due to other factors and not linked with the trauma they went through during war.

I mean, MIA even suggested that the servicemen had mental problems before they joined the army. Ludacris, especially without actual research.

If your government measured the suicide rate of Vietnam war veterans then this high veteran suicide rate would already be common knowledge in the US like it is here in the UK.

 

I think you should actually re-read information on this.

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/162/9/1688

 

I'm aware of that study. And I commend your regard for factual information.

It refers to regular duty armed forces during their duty. I was talking about veterans after serving in an actual war. I'm not sure if that Irish Defence Forces took part in any wars during 1970-2002, the study doesn't say.

That study is also mainly concerned with the type of suicide rather that the rate of suicide.

A good find though, i'm having trouble finding the UK studies online.

 

*shrugs* You are still stuck with a correlation/causation problem. Just because someone serves,doesnt mean serving leads to suicide. There are other factors - high risk people, people who need structure - when its gone, they get depressed, etc. there are lots of factors. Your insinuation does not really hold a lot of water with me.

 

I responded to your correlation/causation point earlier. These are not insinuations, these are facts based on empirical studies just like the one you posted a link to.

I still dont understand why you want to contest this issue when you havent actually read any of the studies I am reffering to.

Don't you think all of the factors you mentioned are taken into consideration when carrying out these studies.

I would post a link if I could find the studies online but here is a bbc news link.

All I am pointing out is that studies show the suicide rate amongst veterans of the 1982 falklands war is extremely high and is caused by the experiance of serving in that war.

 

I'm not contesting the issue; you are looking for an argument where there is none. You can't find the official study either. A BBC article is hardly a good representation of anything. I could make the claim that people who stop playing football, commit suicide at a higher rate too. Did football cause their suicide or was it other external factors? Who knows. People who drive trucks commit suicide at a faster rate than people who never drove a truck. Did trucks drive them to suicide? I think you are not seeing my point; even though its quite obvious.

Who knows. Do you? I haven't seen the studies and I doubt you have either. Right now, it seems you are fitting the facts into a certain mold that you desire to make.

 

mistermix, are you actually asserting you care about soldiers? That alone, seems strange to me.

 

Ok, I guess without a link to a study you think I am making things up. I dont even know why you responded to what I was saying if you didnt actually have a point to make.

I have fully understood your point about correlation and causation, I have studied statictics, as I say the studies have taken this into account but you are unable to continue in a discussion without a link.

pls stop responding to my falklands war veteran suicide rate posts.

Thanks

 

Hey buddy, these poor bastards are on the front line getting killed for no good reason.

Whatever your standpoint please don't disrespect these brave people.

 

Spoken by someone who makes it his job to disrespect these brave people!

 

Please, GTech, please tell me more...

 

Bingo.
You're smarter than I first thought.

A source of the known causes of suicide, none of which mention specifically the Faukland Islands.

Sure I do. That is why I engaged in the conversation. I merely asked you to provide me with a credible source for your assertion. You refused. Based on that, I can only assume you are full of hot air.

Your political affiliations or personal issues are not my concern and in no way affect my opinion of your inability to provide an answer to a simple question.

I did. That is where I came up with wiki reference. DOH....

That you are.

 

Oh, I think that is a fair assement. I mean using your logic are we also to assume that pedophile priest became pedopiles because of the priesthood?

I would say that they were likely pedophiles first, then pedophile priests later.

See how easy it is to reason?

 

Actually you are pointing out nothing. You've provided no credible source to substantiate your claims.

I could also assert that the masterbation rate amongst veterans of the 1982 Falklands War is extremely high and is caused by the experiance of serving in that war.

See how silly that sounds?

 

Gee, ya think?

Once you provide a source...

 

Actually the people you despise are on the front line fighting for people like this. You call them bastards and tell them they are fighting for no good reason. I say they are heros and fighting for your country and strangely enough, even people like you, who don't get it.