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ODP editor, please read me

Discussion in 'ODP / DMOZ' started by abbynormal1, Oct 16, 2006.

  1. copperdrum

    copperdrum Peon

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    #41
    Fair enough, the last post just 'struck a cord' with me of someone speaking on hearsay and third party information as if it were fact. I don't buy things I hear from one person that another person said that they saw someone else do. To much room for misinterpretation there for my liking. ;)
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #42
    How about you just read the threads in this forum before you post? :rolleyes:

    Let me tell you a story. Once up on a time there was couple of "senior" editors like orlady and neb that posted the same type of nonsense that you are posting but others posted proof of all the corruption that is going on with listings and names. The poor "senior" editors had to put their tails between their legs and run back to RZ because they looked like a fool since they could not do anything about corruption contrary to all their big talks. ;)
     
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  3. popotalk

    popotalk Notable Member

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    Letting you know that I am an Island Boy (Hi lmocr !) where government corruption is rampant and God knows how these morons get a good life while my most of my countrymen are starving and could not even send their children to school with descent clothes and shoes. Corruption is a big part of their daily lives and they are untouchables. The saying in my country is that show proof not just hearsay just like most of you. Well, they have big houses , nice cars, money in banks, jewelries and all luxuries plus travelling. And all this for a mere $400 a month salary (converted to local currency with local Economic COLA). Now somebody blows a whistle the family gets killed. Not in DMOZ case. Somebody blows a whistle nobody cares. You may ask me why ? I know. DMOZ corruption way compared to my country is Kids Stuff very easy to track. I did A TEST myself when I used to edit. The schematics are easy. That is how I tracked the editor. I can teach some of your editors how easy the schematics are so they can prove it themselves. (But don't use it for self gain)

    By your answers your showing me your not worth my time and not even a ranking editor. Let that corrupt editor have fun then for all I care. ;)
     
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  4. copperdrum

    copperdrum Peon

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    #44
    @gworld - you always make me laugh :D (don't take that the wrong way, its not a bad thing) I don't live in the past (but have read many posts here), nor do I dwell on it. I am looking at the present and future. How does one know now if they can make a difference if they do not try? I am willing to try, but not based on past accusations. Something current and something that can be verified (by me not someone else) is what I am interested in seeing.

    Well that makes it all credible doesn't it then. You have a name and you can give me and proof to back it up but you determine that I am not worthy of it because of my answer here. :confused:

    1)It doesn't matter what I rank or don't with dmoz or any other organization - I am willing to look at it objectively and act upon it if I reach the same conclusions. If it is a credible complaint then wouldn't you want more than just yourself complaining?

    2)You know nothing about me so your determination of any potential rank is fabricated only from your own imagination.
     
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  5. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #45
    Thats nathing! In my country politicians constantly raise there salaries, benefits, retirement and steal whenever they get a chance. If somebody blows a whistle everyone is laughing at moron who instead of joining them and filling his pockets decided to expose corruption! :p
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #46
    It is not past. Just read the threads. Both the Meta and editor are still active. The proof of abuse is still there. Some of Metas have told me that these people are protected by Admin and possibly some of the staff and that is the reason that even Metas can not remove the abusive editors. ;)

    Why do you think the editors before you, had to run back to RZ with their tails between their legs? They found out very fast that corruption is part of the organization and they can not do anything about it. :rolleyes:
     
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    copperdrum Peon

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    #47
    Well I offered to at least try that is all anyone can do.
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    #48
    Yes, your right. I just can't give it to you because I don't trust you. I give it to someone I know. Hell you might be that editor for all I know. ;)

    Many objective people just look. It takes actions. Many of those people in my country are like you but can't do anything. What's new. Let the corrupt editor be happy. :rolleyes:
    Like I care about your rank.
     
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    gworld Prominent Member

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    #49
    As I mentioned, the threads are here. You can easily see who the Meta and the editor are and the proof of the corruption is also there. Go to DMOZ and try to do something about it and come back and tell us what happened. If you are a simple editor, just don't be surprised when you will not be able to login again. :D
     
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    copperdrum Peon

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    #50
    As usual you make no sense-you follow him around enough, so why don't you take a page out gworlds book and actually make a sensible posting. You don't trust me so you can't give me this so-called top-secret info that exposes some abuse? What could I possibly do to you with this information? Nothing. I could either put up or shut up-i.e if there really was something to it I could either simply ignore it like you would expect me to or I could try and act upon it in what ever capacity I was able to like I say I will. Either way no harm done to you is there?
    You don't know me or trust me? Fine, find an editor you do know and/or trust and send it to them-oh wait you don't know any you would trust to actually look at it so its best to continue to spew non-sense at someone you don't know about not trusting them enough to share information that you say can easily be found if you know what to look for.

    The door is open for you if you ever decide to use it.
     
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  11. popotalk

    popotalk Notable Member

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    #51
    LOL. Look at you. Your like a newbie hungry for info. Your so stressed. Chill up and have a coke and a SMILE. You come in here posting like NEB as a bigshot. Take your time. Introduce yourself. Trust is for those people that is known who really they are.
     
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    copperdrum Peon

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    LOL Yeah I am a newbie a whole 5 months younger than you in here and prior to that I followed the forum as guest without posting so I am not so sure I am that much 'newer' than you. Not to worry though, there is no stress on my end. Its up to you how you want to play it not me. Besides I like Dr. Pepper more than coke anyway. ;)
     
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    lmocr Peon

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    #53
    Popotalk - why don't you give your information to Annie? You should know her well enough by now that she will check it out and report back in a manner that would not be biased one way or another.
     
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    brizzie Peon

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    #54
    Good for you :)
    Not me personally because I'm retired but *if* you want a listing then you have to know how editors think and evaluate a site. They are not evaluating the value of your business but the depth of the content on the website alone.

    Point is that it is highly unlikely any editor would have knowledge of your field so they compare with websites in similar fields. You did have information but it was down the list and therefore not in the must add this site now category. Some say that editors should have field knowledge but then that causes all sorts of problems with self-interested corruption accusations. DMOZ can't win. Editors are typical surfers and work from that perspective - if your site holds their interest you are likely to be listed quicker.

    Only about 10% of editors are what you could say are really active. Most log in and do fairly minimal work. But every site added is one more than if they had not been an editor.
     
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    csutoras Peon

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    #55
    Brizzie

    Whether i always agree with your points or not i must say they hold very valid points and always show respect.

    I appreciate that and your comments.
     
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    abbynormal1 Peon

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    #56
    You're almost right. The objective of the ODP isn't *just to provide a "quality directory for surfers", it's to create a comprehensive quality directory for surfers. I think the comprehensive part is where there is a glaring failure, imho.
     
    abbynormal1, Oct 28, 2006 IP
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    vulcano Active Member

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    #57
    Fair enough, I hope you can agree that as far as quality is concerned there has to be some filter in place, you don't expect that every site that gets submitted will get listed, do you?:D

    http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861599213/comprehensive.html

    com·pre·hen·sive


    adjective
    Definition:

    1. inclusive: covering many things or a wide area
    a comprehensive survey of public opinion

    2. including all: including everything, so as to be complete
    comprehensive knowledge of the subject

    3. covering many eventualities: describes insurance policies that provide coverage or benefit in most areas
     
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    #58
    It fails on the quality score in a lot of places too. The Adult branch is one such place. By the looks of it every travel agent category, and so on. Too many sites, too few editors, too little editor education and guidelines that are in many cases far too much out of date and in some cases so complicated only a tiny handful of specialist editors can understand them.

    Though I would disagree on the comprehensive part for some categories. There are sections of the directory that are far and away the most comprehensive resource on a particular subject. But editors are spread too thinly to make that a consistent experience - inconsistency is a quality issue.
     
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    abbynormal1 Peon

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    #59
    Obviously the ODP can't cover everything, but I can only speak from experience. I am the webmaster for a site that was originally submitted some 2 years ago. I really don't care too much for this site's sake, as I realize dmoz isn't what it used to be for SEO. But, using this site as an example, here's what I find interesting:

    A site I manage is THE .com for a community with several million active participants. The "official" site for the community is basically a placeholder with very little information and so our site is the defacto go-to resource. Despite all this, it's not been reviewed, and meanwhile the category it should be in is plagued by old dead sites. When applying to be editor for the category (believe it or not, I would have been a good editor -- not just in it to list the site in question) I was turned down.

    So, the category is plagued with the "link rot" that the ODP professes to be the solution to through the use of "net-citizens" yet they don't want new, active experienced "net-citizens" in that category that could prove to be the cure.

    I guess these are all reasons that have helped to cool the popularity, authority and ultimately relevence of the ODP.

    Solution: The ODP needs to be upgraded to Web 2.0 ;) (wiki?)
     
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  20. Ivan Bajlo

    Ivan Bajlo Peon

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    #60
    Be thankful you didn't get approved – if you did you would be in constant risk of removal for possible "Conflict of Interest". :p
     
    Ivan Bajlo, Oct 29, 2006 IP