Muslim Cleric Slated Over Women and Meat Remark

I think most any extremist with there strong beliefs would like every person to believe just as they do. Many Christian extremist think it is there job to convert everyone they can and whoever does not believe will burn in hell. They send missionaries to every country to convert people. There are Christian extremists who would like the laws of Christianity to rule every nation. The rev. Jerry Falwell is an example of this. HERE is a comparison between Jerry Falwell and Osama bin Laden, I thought it was kind of funny. I think Osama bin laden is worse, but whatever. I guess my point is that extremist people that are intolerant of others and think everyone needs to believe just like them,are scary no matter what religion they belong to.

 

I don't think strong beliefs = extremism. I also don't think it's automatically bad to want others to believe something. It becomes bad when it moves to violence to bring others into submission.

Your definition of extremism is way too wide. Almost makes me wonder if anyone talked to you about anything you didn't like, that person would be an "extremist".

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I know a bunch of theonomists that would love to see biblical law govern nations. I disagree with them but they aren't extremist. Now if they advocated terrorism, murder, and violence to push their views, I would agree.

In a pluralistic and democratic society, there have to be levels of compromise for that society to exist. Is it not just as intolerant and extremist (as you define it) to want everyone to believe your views on tolerance? You seem to be just as radical for your belief as they are for theirs. Perhaps your tolerance views are scary to those with religious convictions.

It is possible for people to live in harmony but there have to be levels of compromise. The rub is always in how much compromise one must accept and how to deal with disagreements. True extremism would advocate terrorism, violence, murder, and forms of coercion to force others into submission.

 

Australia's top Muslim cleric plans to ride out a storm over a sermon that blamed women dressing immodestly for rape despite government leaders warning that the furor risks dividing Australian society.

Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali has agreed to stop preaching at Australia's largest mosque in Sydney for three months because of the public backlash over a sermon that compared women who do not wear head scarves to "uncovered meat."

 

"Yeah, I know a bunch of theonomists that would love to see biblical law govern nations. I disagree with them but they aren't extremist. Now if they advocated terrorism, murder, and violence to push their views, I would agree."

OK, I think I understand what you are saying. There is a big differance between simply wanting everyone to believe like you versus violence to push your views. I agree with you. Where I am coming from is that I think Islamic fundamentalist HAVE caused alot of suffering in the world but I think the mainstream Islam community are good people that just want to live there life. The radical Islam groups like the Taliban would love to rule all nations and take over the world. But I don't believe mainstream Islam is hell bent on taking over the world anymore than a christian is. I am curious, can you agree with that?

 

Thanks for understanding the spirit and intent of what I wrote. I do agree that there are many Muslims that are not seeking world domination through terrorism.

A recent poll showed that 1 in 10 Indonesians supported Jihad. It's my hunch that the number would hold true and possibly be higher in the Middle East but it's not the majority. The problem the moderate and liberal Muslim faces is that they have to have the courage to face the militants and reject Jihad. That's not easy when it means you'll be dragged out and shot in the back of the head (read: Iraq).

Reminds me of a quote: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

 

Why can't these European/white women just cover themselves up? Its just toooo enticing for a poor Muslim boy hungry for "meat"!

The leftist feminists actually go crazy trying to defend Islam nuts undermining thier own "cause".

The sheik said:

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.




Bush should have found some women, lined them up for a photo and said: Here are the weapons of mass destruction! Goodbye we are going home!
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leftist moral acrobatics is the greatest show earth....

Feminists/Leftists defending Islam pave the way for rape in many cases

Pan-European Arab Muslim Gang Rape Epidemic

Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway

The link didn't work. Do you have any similar stats on Mid-East rapes? Mmmm...me neither funny how backwards places like evry islamic country in existence do not keep or publicize any info like we do isn't it? We at least try and gather info, publicize it, campaign against it spending millions in taxpayers dollars trying to change it and then when we do someone posts it up as "proof of barbarity".

Perhaps we can go back to the "cover up and don't question it days"

 

I love that quote, it is one of my favorites. Edmund Burke also wrote:
“Nobody makes a greater mistake than he who does nothing because he could only do a little”
I like that one too I am happy that you don't think all Muslims are bad. Today I spent hours on the internet reading up on all the news in the middle east and Iraq specifically. Regarding your statement,
"The problem the moderate and liberal Muslim faces is that they have to have the courage to face the militants and reject Jihad."
That needs to happen to bring peace to our world. But it is such a grave situation right now, I think they are just trying to survive. I saw a picture of a woman with a bunch of kids trying to escape an area with a bunch of killings going on (I wished the news people would have given her a ride but I guess they were just there to snap her picture). I think if we could develop a mutually respectful relationship with the mainstream Muslims we could accomplish a great deal in terms of peace. Thanks for your comments

 

Lorien, you are exactly right. One cannot hide from the world by sticking his head in the sand. What is it precisely that scrutiny so offends as to recommend it's prohibition?

 

Australia's top Muslim cleric, under a cloud after comparing unveiled women to "uncovered meat", was hospitalised on Monday as the country's prime minister warned his comments may lead to vilification of other Muslims.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1603982006

Same old excuse similar to Foley and the rest, media pressure on, oh hang on a minute lets go for therapy, counselling, drug support program or hospital

Why is it that none of these undisciplined characters ever stand up and are made accountable for their wayward mis demeanors

 

Send him to sensitivity training!

 

Unfortunately Rebecca the Mufti would not know the meaning of sensitivity, so suffice to say training will not be part of his agenda, which will be to solely resort back to spewing out Islamic rhetoric, but first he is going on indefinite leave of duties