Obama Adminstration Selling Guns to Mexican Drug Lords? REALLY???

I thought you were an avid support of Obama Breeze.

 

it`s pathetic when people have such a low opinion of themselves that they have to attack others to make themselves feel good about themselves. If bullshit were music, you'd be a symphony.

Rebecca, it would be a waste of time to review the smelly pile of garbage that you just wrote. A bulldog can whip a skunk anytime, but sometimes he realizes it isn't worth the stink.

Sweetie, how vivid is your false understanding of this discussion? Are unicorns involved?

 

I'll remind you, anyone can read this thread to see who initiated the attacks. And, your response to my last post? As fully expected, a cry baby non-answer. Boo hoo.

 

Nothing new on Fast and Furious but a short clip on another culprit in the kettle.

The never bashful NRA, one needn't look any further for the reason for lax gun laws and the proliferation of assault rifles.
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BRUm, I just wonder if Hilary would not have been a stronger leader. The Debt Limit conclusion will answer many of the lingering questions about Obama and his Administration.

 

I support the Second Amendment, but don't care for the NRA. You know what they have published on their website right now? They are claiming (as if it's proven fact) that Fast and Furious was a conspiracy by the Obama administration, which was planned and implemented in order to enact strict gun laws on Americans. How responsible is that? I would expect it from say, David Icke - but, the NRA (a large "reputable" organisation")? If they actually did have real proof of that...But, no - they appear to just want to fear monger.

 

Oi don't be hatin' on Icke now!

The NRA is a compromised group. They pretend to uphold the Second Amendment when they've compromised with various policies and lobbyists to keep quiet on gun control.

 

lol.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone that I hate (including Icke). Let's just say that I don't have a great deal of respect for him.

 

Why not? Because he has claimed odd things in the past?

I've been to one of his talks, it was very enlightening.

 

It's not so much that I mind it when individuals make odd claims, it's that he seems to claim his opinions as fact. To be fair, I probably haven't watched him as much as you have. The last video I saw of him, he was talking about the skull and bones society. Basically, the video presented facts and opinions. The facts (to me) were that they have spooky decorations, and fraternity rituals. It's also known that several Presidents were members, and some politicians. From this info, he presented the skull and bones society, as a way to funnel in the elite. But, the truth is very few of the "elite" have even been members. Icke also said they were skull worshippers (c'mon he doesn't know that either), and they are basically a malicious secret society bent on controlling the world, sort of like a planned conspiracy. He makes a mountain out of a molehill. Based on what I've seen, he jumps to unsubstantiated conclusions, and then presents them as truth. If you do, what is it that you like about him?

 

I listen to a few alternative news groups. Alex Jones (Infowars.com), David Icke and Alan Watt (cuttingthroughthematrix.com).

Are you confusing the Skull and Bones society with the Bohemian Grove? S&B is just a secret society for Yale members. Bush and his father have been members - as well as his great grandfather who founded it. I've not seen much importance with their group and they were mainly used many years ago to establish an intelligence agency in the US by Anglophiles. Bohemian Grove on the other hand...

Alex Jones broke into Bohemian Grove and recorded what he witnessed. The footage is freely available and while not the clearest of quality, it is surprising. Bohemian Grove has a much more extensive and significant member roster. Nixon once claimed it's the "most god damn faggy thing I've ever seen". Male pornstars and the like and flown in for the elites' entertainment. They all wear robes and take part in some bizarre worship of a huge stone owl called "molic" (sp?). Also they sacrifice a dummy-baby. Corporate heads of all industry as well as government employees new and old meet there every year.

Debating what this means is not as important as why we let such influential people congregate completely freely without any press or public knowledge. Who knows what they discuss that they wouldn't or can't in congress and publicised meetings.

I like David Icke because it hit him hard waking up. The older you are, with the life-long conditioning and preconceived notions, the more likely it is to affect you mentally. He went on national TV and claimed to be Jesus. A man who was very successful as a professional football goalkeeper and a national sports presenter. He has been ridiculed for decades but never let it stop him help others see that the world is much more than the TV and the media downplays it to be. Whether he uses metaphors, parables or unfounded truths, his intentions are to make people think independently. He's a champion of individualism and for that I think he is a great man.

 

No. Icke was definitely talking about skull and bones. Btw, with your statement that skull and bones was "mainly used many years ago to establish an intelligence agency in the US by Anglophiles." I think that may be an unproven conspiracy theory claim. On Wikipedia they list some of the conspiracy theories for them:

I'm not that familiar with Bohemian Grove, again, I looked up the Wikipedia link for it. Don't laugh. It's not that I hold Wikipedia to always be the highest source, it's just they tend to be neutral and have additional sources. It appears to be a loose place where individuals can go and release there inhibitions. It's not just politicians that go there, it's artists, musicians, media, and most likely, a variety of individuals looking for a good time. I do see on the Wiki link where Alex Jones went there.

We allow them to be in the privacy of their home without 24/7 video coverage, and, the President makes phone calls from the White House to leaders of other countries, should these conversations all be taped and played on public radio? And so on...I'm not against a certain degree of privacy. With that said, it does sound like Bohemian Grove specifically, has a reputation for loose conduct, probably unsavory conduct, as a politician, it would seem to be fair game to publish which politicians go there, for news reps to sneak in, and it appears, they have.

As far as claiming to be Jesus, I guess he didn't mean it literally:

 

I know exactly what Wikipedia thinks of my ideas. They label everything as "conspiracy theory" that isn't on television, whether it's unfounded or not, that's determined by research. Watch the documentary yourself here.

Having a conference call with foreign leaders and such differs from a large congregation of the elite who go out of their way to make their discussions completely private; just like the Bilderberg Group, which is now only acknowledged by the mainstream media, laughable since they've been meeting for many decades. I believe in freedom of association but when you assume powerful positions, especially government, you leave behind most of that enjoyed by the majority.

I'd just like to point out that it's illegal for members of your government to meet in secret with foreign leaders. How many Americans know this? Hillary Clinton was fined for it. I'm sure she was very sorry...

The fact that these fat cats cover their faces when entering the grounds shows that they don't want people to know they're there. If all this is so innocent and supposedly for progressing society, they should tell us about it. They claim no policies or anything that could manifest itself as such is ever discussed! Then why the secrecy?

Beautiful words from Dave. Sure he has some kooky ideas, but in the end who's reaching people and gaining their attention because of it? He's a clever and empathetic man.

 

Brum, I'll be honest, I'm just not that motivated to watch the entire video today (it's 2 hrs long). I started on it, I think I watched about the first 10 minutes? Within that time, he made a claim that newer politicians are required to go to the Bohemian Grove in order to advance to higher positions. I doubt that, but how could that be confirmed to be true or false? What I'm guessing, is the whole video will be kind of like that. If there is anything in particular you would like me to look at, tell me the minutes of the frame (specifically, verifiable proof of claims). Otherwise, I may come back to it later for entertainment. I'm not even sure as to what your conclusion is on Bohemian Grove. But, to check quickly what Icke is claiming, it appears he thinks guests there are Reptilians? But, not sure as video was removed. On the Icke forum it claims "Jewish elites" go there to perform mock child sacrifices (as poster claims they are satanic). In this video, which actually has Icke talking about Bohemian Grove (but only 8 minutes) - I think he is trying to imply the politicians that go there worship satan? So, it's kind of back to my original point, where I think he often expresses his unsubstantiated opinion, as if it were a fact.

As a side note: Here's a site you might like, it has musicians that perform there with media links.

 

I've never heard Icke once claim Jews have anything to do with anything. He's very careful about that and some idiots have derived his "reptilian" explanation as a cover for Jew bashing.

I understand the clip is long, but you should skip through to the part where AJ's driving into B.Grove and what he records. It'll take a few minutes. The grove is used for many things, but don't be ignorant enough to believe that performances there dispute the exclusivity of the area when the elite meet.

My conclusions about B.Grove is that politicians and industry giants go there insidiously. As far as I'm aware no other nation or set of influential people meet like this. I'm questioning why they're there and why they're so secretive.

Mock children sacrifices do happen there, it's in the clip and multiple investigators claim the same thing.

Regarding his notion of reptilians: it is one of the reasons he's ridiculed so much. It takes someone with maturity and historical contemplation to understand his metaphors. I agree that the ruling class are so different from us in terms of psychology and genealogy that they may as well be of a different life form. It's a great linguistic tool to express the divide between We The People and the elite.

Anyway, this is all beside the point as his actions speak far louder than any misinterpreted or misunderstood ideas he has. Like I said before, who else do you know travelling around the world trying to show the enslaved figures in the cave that the shadows they see on the wall aren't reality? (see Plato's cave allegory)

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

See the news today? I was right - it looks like Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder not only knew, but he lied to Congress in May when asked about it!

This has the makings of a big ol' fashioned Democrat scandal!!!

 

There is nothing new, just a couple of politicians trying to stir a kettle. - They now are praising Melson after properly ridiculing him in the past for his admissions he is now testifying to against his superiors.....ATF's failures are Melsons responsibilities and no one else's.

Nothing found in the news about Holder lieing to Congress - care to elaborate Corwin.

 

Don't flatter yourself. We have nothing in common.

Why would you address me with that statement? It's not anything we've debated, I haven't said anything about Attorney General Eric Holder in this thread. As far as whether he knew anything, it's been speculated upon in the media. Now that you're indeed claiming it's a fact that he lied to Congress, I double-checked the news. I'm just finding a lot of opinions that say he did or did not know. But, since you're posting it as fact (and not mere speculation), why not post proof?

 

Corwin, there is probably more than just smoke at the ATF and all are somewhat curious for more information - however I'm not sure going after Obamas chef in the meantime is what everyone is expecting from the Oversight Committee in the search for Justice.

Maybe Issa is just witch hunting (?) and for the effort not finding very much.

 

Absolutely right. You are defending people that you know lied to the American people and do not have one shred of integrity. Just like you.

"On May 3, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified before House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa's committee that he only learned about the government's sale of weapons to Mexican drug cartels "in the last few weeks.""

But this says Holder bragged about Operation Gunrunner in 2009
He lied to Congress.

 

The question to Holder on May 3 was about Fast and Furious - the speech in Dec. 2009 was in reference to Project Gunrunner.

The more specific question by Issa about "Fast and Furious" may not have been known by Holder earlier than he implied (I probably heard) and was not a specific answer at the time as to constitute as a lie even with the present account.

Further details presumably will follow - if any news organization begins following this matter which to date has not been considered a newsworthy event.