i have a hatered for islam

Sorry but that is an American thing, not a Christian thing. I never wanted to go to war.
I would never make a good president because I would try to get everyone to pray our problems away. That would never go over in this country.
Contrary to what many people in other countries believe, America is not a Christian country, we do not worship our president and he does not run our country for life.

 

Sorry to go off topic, but what's with the green text?

 

I like green!
Wards off evil spirits, lol.
I like to match my avatar.

 

I thought you were a mormon from your comments to the guy going on the mission field for 2 years in brazil?
It is true not many are Christian in the USA we also have mormons, JWs, muslims, buddist, athiests, evolutionists, nambla and more!

 

She only said what most Americans think about saying, what's the big fuss?
Persoanlly, I too feel like she does. Plus 80% of the people I know feel the exact same way.

 

I like green too.. In fact, it's my favorite colour, however... I never read your posts because they are hard on the eyes.

 

My favourite colour is red.

 

this dilbert comic made me think of these kinds of DP threads:

 

I am a Christian, just not Mormon. Just a plain old Christian without any extensions or updated versions of the Bible.
I heard the other day that like 80% of America believes in God.

 

I am not sure why you place such doubt on the Book of Mormon, among other texts, when what you know of as "The Bible" has seen countless translations, iterations, omissions and addition, all under the sway of temporal, political and ecclesiastical struggle. There is nothing in it that can be considered the "original hand."

 

Because it makes so much more sense than "Golden Tablets" and I believe the book of Mormon was written by someone who changed the Bible to suit his needs.

"iterations, omissions and addition, all under the sway of temporal, political and ecclesiastical struggle. There is nothing in it that can be considered the "original hand." "

You are confusing the Bible with Catholicism.

 

lol nice Are you aiming that towards anyone?

 

And, among the numerous translations of The Bible, you honestly believe that those who fund the scholastic enterprise - King James, for one - did so without attention on possible "sticky" areas?

No, not at all. You, in fact, are confusing a good deal. Sticking to the "new testament" alone (forgetting for the moment the similar lacunae for error in the "Hebrew Bible"):

Basically, remember two things - (1) that Catholicism was world Christianity prior to the reformation, and therefore all Bible scholarship to that time - that which provided the material for later, post-reformation sources - necessarily streamed through the Church; and (2) that what you know of as "The Bible" came from a host of language sources - the Greek Septuagint as well as the Latin (Jerome's Vulgate and others), Coptic, and many other languages; and, later, on to vernacular languages. Each of these rounds of translation and interpretation (i.e., what to do when there was no exact usage of the original word in the language of the "new" version or translation?) were subject to judgement, and such judgement, as with historiography from "original sources," is replete with power struggles and associated human error and bias.

Believe what you will, of course. My issue solely rests with your joint condemnation of the Book of Mormon and resolute firmness on the original, infallible authenticity of what you now read as "the Bible."

 

Do a little more study. The bible is constantly checked against the oldest manuscripts found. It is also confirmed through new findings, that some translations may have mis-interpreted words at time, but overall it has a great score of accuracy to the manuscripts. Because of the reformation much of the Bible was scrutinized to make sure of that the infuences were removed from the translation process.

There are some cults that still try to change meanings of words to fit their system so they have there own version or in this case interpetation of the bible.

 

I guess I misunderstood the post on the other thread. A christian without addons or extensions, no active X to be corrupted or spyware installed?

 

Debunked - I have studied, quite a bit, and posted several historical facts - the reliance on the Septuagint, and the Vulgate, for two - to show how there were several stages of "the Bible," not one, revealed, immutable document. And this is why I question the condemnation of another's scripture. It may help you to know that by the time I was 14, I was fasting in the hills beyond my Ventura township, preaching the "Good Word" in Junior High School, and wholly believing in the imminency of the Second Coming (where, like many of my ilk, I ignored the passage that declared me to simply mind my own business and not predict nor await the "hour" of Christ's return).

I have since woken up to my conclusion, namely, the absolute lunacy of religion. But the point remains - I would hazard a guess, that I likely read more of the Bible by 14 than you have in your lifetime. Where is your scholarship?

 

Well you can guess that you have read the Bible more times than I. You may be correct, but chances are you are wrong. I am 35 and have been reading the Bible for quite a number of years now.

Where does it say not to "await the hour of Christ's return"? From what I read it said to be ready at any moment because He will come as a thief in the night, when you aren't expecting Him.

 

" I would hazard a guess, that I likely read more of the Bible by 14 than you have in your lifetime. Where is your scholarship?"

Reading and understanding can be two different things. It appears to me that you don't understand what you have read, which I can understand because it's obvious you have not accepted the Holy Spirit. You will not be able to understand the Bible until you do.

 

Ah, the classic refrain. Inarguable, in fact, because if someone's opinion differs from yours, you have been touched by grace, while they have not. The fountain of self-righteousness that fills the hole in your chest may one day bring you to look in the mirror. I cannot say.

In between speaking in tongues (and prophecying the translations), attending faith healings (recipient of many), receiving visions of ecstacy and ignoring the relevance of the modern world in light of the coming Christ, I assure, you, I lived the life as much as you believe you do now. I simply concluded it was all a farce, while you maintain it is not. You will simply revert to calling me "Backslider," rather than asking some hard questions - which is of course your right.

All of this, of course, is off course. I'll ask directly.

Who gave you the authority to judge anyone - to label them, in essence, "Heretic"?

 

Well, I am 45, and left school for days on to fast, pray and study in the wilderness of the Southern California High Desert by the time I was old enough to read seriously - beginning, roughly, at 10. It brought me a good deal of trouble at home, at school, with authorities - but in fact, I truly believed, literally, in Christ's message re: the lillies of the field, and the sparrow. Wordly matters, Caesar's state, meant nothing to me and I lived as ascetic a Christian life as a young man in modern, suburban America could live. I read New Testament Greek as early as I began my studies of foreign languages generally, and it only grew from there.

Not really interested in a pissing match, but wanted to point out to you that before you accuse someone whose opinion differs from yours that they are ignorant or wanting of study, you may want to investigate more.

To be exact:

What I take from this: live your life, as a Christian. Forget knowing when it will happen, but rather live your life in grace. When it happens, you will be taken up - and that is all you should put your attention to.

Preaching the "end times" is counter to these passages, in my (unstudied) opinion.