What is this that makes no sense, has no logic to Muslims in the Christ's teaching?

Aww..but you didn't even explain who are the "children" and who are "the dogs"..they are widely known to be Jews and non-Jews...instead of coming up with a reasonable explanation as to why the Jesus of your bible is racist...you tell me that I'm not sincere and should look for some spirits?!...that's very un-professional mate..you are not in a position to handle tough criticism..so why open a thread like this? I don't know

Have a nice day.

 

or some guy named Mo

 

How can one reason with somebody who is focused only on the tree he has interest in for some reason, but not pay attention at the forest surrounding it?
Why you don't pay equal attention to this sentence??? (Looks like it is because it does not suit your agenda.)
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment. Why you don't focus on the numerous noble acts Jesus did? I know why, you didn't even put equal attention to the fact that Jesus healed the girl. You either didn't understand Jesus language or purposly are twisting it. And because His noble deeds will proove that He was sent by God. It is up to God to give His blessings to jews or non jews. Actually God gave them the blessing-Jesus Christ, but their priests rejected Him.

Now would you have the bravery to start a serous talk titled:
What is this that makes no sense, has no logic to Christians and non Christians in the Mohammad's teaching and deeds? The idea is to tell the truth to the societies so we can get rid of the unproductive ideals. Ideals that are holding back peoples progress. You have a blessed day too.

 

So you agree Jesus of the bible has some bad teachings?

It's called "changing your mind". First he called her sister a dog, just for being a non-Jew, he then later he helped her, but it still doesn't change the fact that he called her a dog.

Also don't forget that the reason he changed his mind is because the woman accepted that they (non-Jews) were like dogs and the Jews were their masters.

Do you have a different interpretation of "children" (Jews) and "dog" (non-Jew)? Am I mistaken? Correct me if I am.

I don't need to, it's not an effective approach, unless you are a scholar.

If you have in-depth knowledge then you can put yourself into that kind of position and handle multiple questions and respond to criticism, but if you don't you'll find yourself in trouble..as they say "he who does not have, cannot give".

You did open a thread welcoming criticism, so all I can say is please respond to my criticism and don't dismiss it because Jesus did "some good things".

 

Where did you get your understanding that children means jews & dogs mean non-jews? Mo? Why doesn't it mean exactly what it says? as dogs would eat crumbs that fall off a table, as any normal person understands it.

 

1. JESUS NEVER HAD BAD TEACHINGS, BUT THE INTENTIONS IN YOU HEART ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT THE PUREST ONES.
2. You don't want to open a similar thread
"What is this that makes no sense, has no logic to Christians and non Christians in the Mohammad's teaching and deeds?
For reasons other than the one you stated. You know that in your heart, but don't have the courage to speak this what is in your heart.

Your signature is "Real Islam". What does that mean to you? For me it shows your intentions to show what the Real Islam is. So if you know the difference between the real and non real Islam you should have the basic knowledge of Islam and should be able to answer basic questiions.
Me and you we know very well what the true reasons area for not opening a similar thread.

3. I did open a thread, but never expected that somebody will come with distorted interpretation. It is hard to have an honest and fair discussion with such a person. For you Jesus is bad, but for the mother and the child- that He had healed, He was the Savior.

Who has wisdom for the truth? You, or the Mother of the child? She got no offense in Jesus langugage, but you found a word that could be interpreted in a negative way and you used it.
May God open your eyes.

 

Jesus did not exist and even if he existed, he was so gay that it is not even funny. Bible and Koran are both full of BS. I don´t know why you people have to fight about which book of BS is less stupid.

 

A good question you might find an answer for, yourself.

 

This is widely known to be Jews and non-Jews by Christians themselves.

Still no explanation.

I rest my case.

 

You made me smile now with all that logic of yours. But if that makes you feel good so be it. For your info. Nothing impure can enter Paradise, I tend to think that you strongly believe you are heading in that direction. The maintainance department there is checking each and every soul that wants to enter, if they see somthing impure they send you right back to school on earth. They are very, very smart and advanced beings you can't fool them with any trick.
Good luck!

 

Sounds like more of your crap to me! As a Christian for many years (since reformed) I have never heard of that.

Is there any Christians here who have heard that or is this yet another thread where he gets to spread his bullshit lies about the competition whilst attempting to prove his pure intent??

 

Well now you have heard of it.

I've already asked OP to come up with a reasonable explanation and correct me..but he thrusts his fingers into ears and tells me to go away.. at least that's the impression that I'm getting.

Why don't you tell me what "children" and "dogs" means?

PS: Just because you are an ex-christian doesn't mean you know anything about christianity.

 

Lol! I'm not even nominally Christian and I understand whats going on here. He's using this opportunity to teach his disciples a lesson. Keep in mind, his disciples were originally expecting a messiah that would lead the Jews from being a conquered people to being the ones in charge. Another Moses as it were, but what they got was Jesus. And he wanted to make it plain that he was there for everyone.

So basically we have this Gentile woman asking for help and he stands by while his disciples get all worked up at her temerity. Who does she think she is to ask THEIR messiah for help? She's not Jewish. When they realize that they can't chase her away on their own, they turn to Jesus for help.

'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.', they ask.

So Jesus is like, “OK, if that's what you want.” and he goes to the woman saying, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said.

He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Gentiles].'

And yes, this sounds harsh. But keep in mind, that while he's talking to this woman, he's also speaking to an audience (His disciples). He's using this opportunity to show them just how bad their bigotry looks. I can actually picture Jesus looking his disciples right in the eye as he delivers the line about dogs and his disciples casting their gaze at the ground and fidgeting their feet in embarrassment.

And then she replied, “Yes, Lord but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.'

In other words, 'Yeah, we may not be Jewish but we're still human, we need help and I have faith that you're who you say you are and that you can help us.'

Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

And that's when he also hammered home his lesson to his disciples (and the rest of us). Jesus didn't care if you're Jewish or not. Only that you had faith in him. If he truly meant the line about dogs, he never would have helped her at all.

That's why later in John 3:16 we read:
“For God so loved the world (not just the Jews), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever (once again: whosoever, not just the Jews) believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

 

that does make you wonder about christianity. the jews turned their back on jesus, who was sent for the jews.

his disciples then turned their back on the jews and reached the gentiles.

well, the christians got a messiah while the jews are waiting for one.

an impression of what jesus went through converted ceasar constantine into christianity and the leader of the occupying presence in israel became a christian, a follower of the person that was sent to help the jews.

then what does he do? he kicks out the jews from israel and starts a diaspora of the jews from their land.

?

 

Children: Half sized humans
Dogs: Jump up on your nice clean shirt (and happily licks the crumbs off the floor when the masters drop them).

Obviously one's religion does not matter. You call yourself a Muslim but know NOTHING about God - except some fallacy you made up yourself and continue to cling to no matter how much evidence piles up against your ideals.

 

He didn't make it clear that he was there for everyone since he said "I was sent *only* to the lost sheep of Israel".

You might find in other places of the bible where he says he was sent for the world, but that would only prove there's a big contradiction.

We are going to hell because we don't want to believe in a book that is obviously written by man, only man contradicts himself not God.

She showed faith before she got likened to a dog. So Jesus did not liken her to a dog because she had no faith , but just because she was a gentile..

As you say "it might sound harsh", and yes it is harsh.

About the whole lesson to the disciples, you will have to prove that he was teaching them a lesson, even if he was, he still humiliated that woman at the expense of teaching a lesson.

She showed faith before asking for help..why didn't he help her based on that?

I disagree with "If he truly meant the line about dogs, he never would have helped her at all.” - The reason he helped her [take note] is because the woman said that dogs eat leftovers too..and Jesus is like "you are right"...so he helped her because the woman accepted that she is like a dog..then she tells Jesus that even dogs eat leftovers...then he helped her.

God is everyone and everything right? See a doctor please.

EDIT: I'm sorry..I don't think a doctor can help you.

 

the quote about eating the crumbs is interpreted differently in the different versions of the bible.

in the king james version verse 28 says this:

"Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour." source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+15:22-28&version=AMP;KJV;HCSB;NIV;MSG

"be it unto thee even as thou wilt."

that means so have it like the way you described it also, even though it doesn't have to be like that (that is, not like a dog eating scraps).

 

I clicked on the link and the kj version also talks about crumbs: 27 "And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

Crumbs are basically leftovers..and after the woman was likened to a dog..she accepted it..and then basically said "I'm dog..give me some leftovers".

 

it's not saying that at all. in that parable she's saying

'hey, you feed the dogs but you won't feed me' - kinda like a greyhound trainer's wife would say today.

 

that is how she presented her answer to jesus, as a desparate mother for her child. some would say "I'm dog..give me some leftovers" for their child to recover, this woman demonstrated this. then go to the next verse and consider the interpretation of jesus' answer from the king james version.