Why does he give African babies AIDS? Does AIDS make them happy? What about starvation, does that make them happy? Remember joseph fritzl? Does being held prisoner in a dungeon, being beaten and raped by her father daily for 24 years and seeing her children being taken out dead as a result of what her father done make Elisabeth Fritzl happy? Why don't you, before saying something, think about it first. Even if your god exists, which he almost certainly doesn't, it's obvious that he couldn't give a shit about us or our happiness. Even if a god does exist, which he almost certainly doesn't, he is utterly indifferent when it comes to our happiness or suffering. Imagine how these people must plead to your god on a daily basis for for a modicum of respite from the unending, needless suffering that is being inflicted upon them. If what you believe is true your god hears this pleading, witnesses the disgusting torture and sits there with arms folded. What a fucking disgusting thing it is that you believe. All you religious robots do is trot out this facile rhetoric. Engage your brains for once, you might like it.
stOx How nice to see you putting up 2 bit brainwashing . Here so you don't feel lonely i'll give you 2 minutes . All humans have free will and we are responsible for our decisions . Man can tell good and evil apart and choose . Or are you claiming we all lack free will ? Babies with HIV inherited the virus from their mothers . The mothers who have contracted the virus trough unprotected sex (outside a marriage) that is a both a sin and the action is a choice . If the virus was forced upon them then it was the choice of the man . Once more this is not the Lord's doing it is simple man's doing . stOx you need to go back to your fellow atheist from more propaganda . This one has long expired . Have a nice hatred filled day .
I know i have free will. I also know that my love for my fellow man would mean it abhorrent for me to stand by, idling observing, with folded arms and utter indifference, hearing the pleading of a woman raped, beaten and impregnated by her father while imprisoned in a damp cell for 25 years and do nothing for her. That is what you believe of your filthy, imaginary god. That he stands by, observing, and ignoring the continuous pleading of people subjected to utter suffering through no fault of their own. And you want me to believe that this disgusting character has "love" for his creation? You should be ashamed of yourself even suggesting such an obviously disgusting concept. To think your god could allow that while loving us you must be mentally ill.
She was released wasn't she ? Also you're forgetting one thing . For a believer this life is just short test . The rewards of our choices and of you deeds will come in our next existence and so come our punishments . Do you think that the guy who committed those abominable deeds feared the flames of hell , no he chose his beliefs and his path . If he would have been a believer he would have never touched his own daughter . For a group of so called superior thinkers the atheist seem dumber then wood . Your continuous smear campaign will only result in more weak in faith Christians to loose their religion and more Muslims extremists to chop your head off . You lack strategic thinking and are blinded by a silenced hatred , I pity you .
Wow, so you're saying that not only did god do nothing to help her in the 25 years that she was being systematically beaten and raped by her father in a dingy, damp bunker but that he engineered her rape and torture as a "test"? What a truly disgusting thing it is that you believe. Would you do that to your children? Engineer their rape and torture as a "test"? No? What would you think of someone who did not only do nothing to prevent their suffering, but to actively engineer it to test them? Here's the bit where you realise what your religion has done to you. I was going to wait a few more posts, but i think you have backed yourself into a sufficient corner at this point for me to put your out of your mystery; If god either allowed this poor woman to be raped and beaten for 25 years, or engineered her rape and torture as a test, does that make her ordeal a good thing? You're joking, right? If there is one group who it could be said inherently have a penchant for raping and murdering their children, it would be the religious. Seriously, your god even asked Abraham to murder his son as a test, something Abraham was more than willing to do. It worries me that you aren't troubled by any of this. It worries me that you seem to be lacking something which would normally be considered a fundamental human characteristic. Your bucket-headed faith has turned you in to what, in any other situation, would be classified as a psychopath.
Yaw ... I'll reply later . Now srsly do you enjoy talking trash . You know that every sentence that is in that reply is lie .You say you love science but you lie your ass off . Is it something like the end justifies the means for you guys ? You do know that human society needs a code ethics and you guys have none . Unless you're planning to implement atheism as a religion and lock any believer in the loony bin (assuming your utopia would ever come true) and that sounds just like good old communism .
You won't reply later. you, and every other theist, never reply to the points people put directly to you, you can't even bring yourself to think about the implications of the things you claim to believe. The best we can expect is not that you'll address what people have said, but just whine about them having said it. This is just your gutless way of geting out of answering. It's hardly surprising that someone willing to publicly demonstrate this level of cowardice need to fabricate an invisible daddy in the sky to look after them. If you do come back don't worry, i'll be sure to direct you to the post that you'd prefer to ignore.
You are as obsessed with the invisible daddy no different than the misguide teachings and obsessions of organized religion. Mankind is expelled (abandoned) by the invisible daddy and by your own admission rightfully so - why then do you claim his love? Mankind is simply given a second chance - your denunciations may play well in judgment, just clean up your act and all will be well.
I don't. You do. Why would i want the love of something that doesn't exist? And if it did exist, why would i want the love of a creature which engineers the rape and torture of women? Perhaps these are questions you should be asking yourself. Have a think, never know, you might like it. My point is if what you say is true, how could he at best allow, and at worst engineer, the rape and torture of a woman in a cellar for 25 years.
Proven Wrong Once . I'm saying that in the end she was released . Her ordeal ended . I'm also saying that the father is the one responsible for he made the choice to do this horrible deed . As The All Knowing God can see the future . Yet we by our choices shape that future , this is the power of choice . This is the power of free will . If God would stop us when we are about to do something wrong then we would have no free will we would be like farm animals . Under the complete control of our master . All great gists have a dark side and free will is no different . Man is free to do marvelous things and but he's also free to commit atrocities beyond all imagination . stOx the only one that backs himself into a corner is you . God leaves man to live trough his choices . Man already went against the will of his creator and chose to differentiate good and evil . All the evil in the world would have never existed if we wouldn't have the ability to choose but then again our sentience makes us human . No I'm not joking , if you know you'll be tortured for eternity for your actions would you be suicidal and choose to be roasted in hell for a short time of abominable enjoyment ? The chances are slim to none , the guy is a nonbeliever weather you like it or not . As for your concerns with my mental health I can assure you that my last test showed that I am in near perfect condition . I only endure a bit of stress that's all
I asked if god knew it was happening and chose to do nothing or, as you suggested, actually engineered her rape and torture for 25 years years as a test, does that make her ordeal a good thing. I know she escaped, i didn't ask you if she escaped. Would you do that with your children? Stand there watching while they got raped safe in the knowledge that the rapist is exercising his free will? What a disgusting cop out. Go read your bible, it will save me from having to continuously school you on it. People don't go to hell for raping children, only for denying the existence of your imaginary sky daddy. In fact, if the disgusting things you like to pretend are virtuous actually are true, Hitler is heaven and Einstein is in hell. What a filthy invention it is you claim to believe. If god either allowed this poor woman to be raped and beaten for 25 years, or engineered her rape and torture as a test, does that make her ordeal a good thing? Answer the question.
Ever heard of the golden rule ? Harming others is a sin hence you go to hell . If you believe that Hitler is in heaven then you've never heard of ten commandments or in your case you choose to play dumb . Amusingly you claim that murder is OK yet try to smear others . It's sad to see that you're so easy to manipulate . A year ago you had some decent logic now all you are is a troll . Let me answer your question for the final time . God allows every man and woman to choose , we shape the universe by our will , weather we use your lives to create a better world or to commit abominations it is our choice . If a human suffers at the hands of another human and commits no evil then the reward given outweighs the suffering . Mans existence is a test in it's essence weather we like it or not . This is why I say you've fallen into ridiculous stOx you try to comprehend the unlimited with something limited and try to smear as evil The Creator of free will . All of His creation is imperfect including man and free will the only thing that you can consider evil is the act of creation .
I don't know if you have children. I hope you don't, but i don't know if you do. But if you do and one of them was caving the others head in with a monkey wrench would you stand by, arms folded, safe in the knowledge that for the one being brutally beaten it's a test and the other will have to sit on the naughty step afterwards? Seriously, are you mentally ill? How you can equate the behaviour that you attribute to your god, a god that you claim engineers the rape and torture of women as some kind of perverse test, with a loving god is frankly worrying. What kind of love is that? Let's hope you don't love your family in the same way you claim your god loves us. Go read your bible if you're going to attempt to argue in it's defence, i'm tired of having to continuously school you on it. There is only one unforgivable sin, irreverence towards the holy spirit. Rape, child abuse, coveting ox's, are all forgivable. Saying "god is a stinky head" however is unforgivable and punishable by eternal torture. What a c*nt your god is. What a cop out. I'd assume you'd also let your children make their own choices, but would still intervene if one of them was systematically raping a family member (let's hope you would, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt). Your god didn't. It's strange how your shitty little god behaves in the exact way we would expect if he didn't exist.