United States Heading towards a Depression?

Ok, I read the whole thread. As me any questions.....

 

Actually, it is not two-way and the Supreme Court has ruled that it is NOT "quite clearly an indirect and intended result".

Re-read the First Amendment. The Federal government may not interfere with religion. But religion may interfere with government.

There is NO directive prohibiting religion from being involved in government. That's why Congress always begins with a prayer, money says "In God We Trust", legal oaths end in "so help me God", etc.

Re-read the Declaration of Independence. While it's not a legal document, it's considered a statement of intent (or vision statement) for the United States and sometimes reads like it's a religious document.

According to the above statement, Our rights are derived from God (Creator), and it is the purpose of government to secure the rights that God has endowed for us.

I think it's quite clear that God has a place in the United States government.

 

People always seem to mis-interpret the separation as meaning, that God has no place in Government. The original intent was quite the opposite. Ironic considering the founding father's were all deeply religious. The intent was meant to keep government from removing God, not the other way around.

 

The First Amendment is written as a refuge against Religious Persecution by denying Religion an establishment within the Gov't.

 

Quite to the contrary it is written to keep government from infringing on or controlling the establishment. It says nothing about whether it is allowed in or as a part of the former.

 

The right wing political twisting of virtually every aspect of current life, the constitution, and the condition of the economy goes on non stop. Its a function of 20 endless years of daily right wing rewriting of virtually every aspect of American life.

As to religion: When the inhabitants of what became the United States rebelled against England, its government and its laws, formed a constitution, established a new nation they rebelled against a foreign power that had an official religion that was part and parcel of the established government.

Consequently, and as a result of that status, they established a government in which religion was not an official part of government.

This statement by Corwin and repeated by Mia is pure nonsense and the precise and absolute opposite of what occurred. "Originally Posted by Corwin
Re-read the First Amendment. The Federal government may not interfere with religion. But religion may interfere with government.

Religion was disconnected from government by virtue of our constitution and by virtue of the oppressive conditions imposed on the Colonies by England, its government and its official religion.

Of further interest, when one discussed the so called "religiosity" of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, the single individual who was tasked with writing the constitution was famous, and well known, in his day, and shown through history, to be anything but a traditional religious person. His level of religiosity has been questioned and analysed over time.

Of one thing there is no argument. Thomas Jefferson assertively did not believe in the established main stream Christianity of the time which invoked the "Holy Trinity". He absolutely rejected it. He wrote about his rejection of this orthodoxy. He refused to take part in rituals that invoked the "holy trinity".

It was an established and well known fact of those who knew Jefferson.

One of the foundations of the American Revolution was to create a new nation founded on principles that were directly in opposition to the rulings of England. One of the fundamental aspects of that British rule was the establishment of an official religion connected to government. The American revolutionaries rejected it. It was of prime importance. It became the First Amendment. To argue the opposite is a prime example of the Right Wing twisting of one the most fundamental principles of the American experience.

 

Er, I think you meant to say LEFT wing...

Good thing I am here to catch your mistakes.

 

"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"


What those two characters can not comprehend is that Faith is an individual, not a law.

 

I said that the government as an institution has no legal authority to enforce religious dogma. This means that senators and congressman (and all other representatives of government), who are also The People, are free to hold any religious belief and expression they wish as the monolith that is government cannot interfere. This also means that non-deists are free to live without religious - not deistic as common law's foundation in certain moral constraints (or common sense) shows - interference from the state. We all need to be clear of the distinction between religion and deism. Religion is a particular and organised set of theistic beliefs. We all know the founding fathers were great believers in a good creator who endowed us with these rights, that doesn't mean they belonged to a specific religion. A lot of them were free masons for instance, which comprises of people who believe in a common creator (or Grand Architect) not Allah or Yahweh etc..

 

I think most people are more worried about where they will be getting their food, than if religion is excluded from the Constitution. This, of course, was the plan.


People are buying less food than before. That means they are eating less. LINK


Somebody in that article said something to the effect of; "...now that the recession is over... "


Breezewood was that a friend of yours ??

 

But with all the obesity isn't this good news?





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(what is wrong with the forum it keeps saying to be more than 10 characters....)

 

It's someone's fault, partially our own, of course, that we now depend on a few gigantic superstores for food. The creation of a career and employment market, along with fetishisation of money and possessions caused the vast majority living on the land to move into the cities and large towns.

I heard about 90% of Americans were self-sufficient or at most community dependent just before the Great Depression. The inverse is now the case.

 

The Garden's subsistence variables have managed life's existence to date exclusive of any one particular species, that obviously is no longer the case.

The Edenist path from the very beginning is the Admonition from the Creator for Mankind's continued existence and since the expulsion has been the exception in its following to the point now in History for the final chapter of Mans predictable dissolution and pitiful extinction to be concluded as probably the Creators premonition from the very beginning.

Blue Star, debunked and BRUm lots of luck.....The Outerworld of the Everlasting exists for the few remaining able to find it.

 

Government is very much based in religion. Please re-read what I wrote about the Declaration, the Constitution, etc.

Um, Totally Wrong. First of all, Thomas Jefferson was NOT the single individual tasked with writing the Constitution. James Madison was the single individual tasked with writing the Constitution.

Jefferson was the single individual who was tasked with writing the Declaration of Independence, where he wrote phrases such as "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God", "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", and "with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence". Be careful - during the 1800 election, Jefferson was slandered by his opponents as being an atheist.

As President, Jefferson refused to allow atheists in his cabinet because he felt that a person without a firm religious background is more likely to lie.

Jefferson questioned the Trinity and also wasn't convinced of the Divinity of Christ (which today would make him a United Pentecostal Christian). But the USA's three branches of government are firmly based upon the Holy Trinity.

And have you ever heard of The Jefferson Bible?

Well, I agreed with everything you wrote here except your last statement. I don't know why some people think that the left wing is incapable of religion.

Read the Supreme Court decision Zorach vs Clauson (1952) where the Court stated "we are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being". There isn't a separation of Church and State, but rather a "wholesome neutrality" between Church and State (School District of Abington Township v. Schempp (1963)

(Yes, Stooges fans, Schempp went before the Court! Woo! Woo!)

 

Did a certain snake tell you that ? The debunked are those who keep relying on lies and political correctness to get them to point "B", if they can.

 

That depends on how obese a person is, I suppose. Still, the fact that someone else has decided if we will be obese or not is not in line with true freedom. That is, unless you ask the politically correct in this thread. For them, they are glad to have other people decide for them what their health will be.

 

We have been watching LOST on netflix, did you really think the island was real?

 

The Liberal religiosity is for the freedom of religion as expressed by Thomas Jefferson a Liberal - "thus building a wall of separation between Church & State".

Not an interpretation by Corwin for religious intrusion inside the Gov't. - Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

 

That's not in the Constitution.

You May Be a Democrat If:
2. You think the words "separation of church and state" are in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights

 

Thanks... the topic of this thread is:


"United States Heading towards a Depression?"

LINK


The answer is now "Yes.".


With certain people here saying: "No... we are in recovery."
Even someone as dumb as me in economics can read that link
and realize they were lying.