it may be sick but you know its true, its totally politically incorrect but it doesn't change it. The people who are having abortions are mostly poor single woman, that same ones you talking about needing husbands or whatever in that family values thread yadda yadda yadda, your an athiest so you can't make moral judgements yadda yadda Do you know how dumb that sounds? you know what is really ironic? people who claim to be conservatives but want the government prying into the most personal decisions a person can make, and telling woman what they can do with their own bodies and their own lives a zygote is not a person, every day there are miscarriages by the thousands, why aren’t you guys having funerals if they are the same as people?
the assertation has not be proven false, there is some guy who found fault with one of the 3 methods levitt used to come to conclusion, but it was not proven false you can read the discussion here http://www.slate.com/id/33569/entry/33571/
The correct stat would be that many abortions are carried out by the poor, minorities, etc. Whether or not you want to call them all criminals is your own business. I suppose you could read Freakonomics.
It's a blanket statement. My cousin's children are mostly in their teens, and from a single black/white mother (living in oakland). None of them have committed crimes, nor do they have a character in which I think they'll commit crimes. I have a diverse family, but we hold each other together. None of what I was talking about dealt with absolutes. It was a matter of likelyhood. Your view was that causation didn't link the two (in the family value thread), and this could well apply to what you're doing here as well. You can pronounce moral judgement (as an atheist), but you must note it is only an OPINION. It's not dumb if you understand what I'm writing. It makes perfect sense. As a moderate libertarian conservative...I'm independent of all the nonsense of the left and right. I don't claim a moral absolute, because I'm rational enough (in my doubt) not to claim such. It's ironic because you don't appear to recongnize the religious-like behaviour in you. It's ironic, because a person that doesn't believe should see the connection morality has to man. Ferret, your memory is so short-term, I'm baffled. I've stated many times I'm unsure of my position on abortion. MANY times. I'm almost in a neutral position. I just find it dissapointing that many athiest take positions like Ayn Rand, which in themself are a philsophical full of holes. I actually love Ayn,...I just find her dogmas a bit unnerving...like many other athiests.
Actually its the opposite isn't it?, you are looking at the bigger chance of children of single mothers becoming criminals, being on welfare not testing well etc, which are facts, and looking for possible cause being that they are single, whereas I am saying if they don't have the kids in the first place the problems would not exist You are right its not a fact its an opinion, I shouldn't have said it was fact, but I believe that unwanted pregancies are bad for society, I would perfer people just use birth control , but either way the end result of less unwanted pregancies is positive. I'm not only speaking of you Ricky, in I was just in general speaking of conservative hypocrisy
My opinion in the family thread and here, is that many factors come-in to play. In political forums it's easy to name one factor, because it sounds good, but often there's many things that add to the 'problem'. I find fault in not indentify that as well. If you look at another cousin of mine. She was on drugs for sometime...cleared-up, but moved out of her childhood house. She ended-up with someone alcoholic (whom actually will die of it). She got pregnant, and came home...but is determined to care for her child properly. Her reemergence in the family w/the child has spawned a great deal of support...from her sister, family and I. I love the child and I barely have been around it. One often doesn't takes in account the surroundings of the child. With a huge and loving family, even a single mother w/a bad past can make better. Likelyhoods reduce. I almost believe it would be better to insert patches in to young ladies till they gain their independence. That would be a bit contraversial, but to me I see it as no different than giving a flu-shot (ie it's something one wishes to avoid at the moment). Some day they'll learn to turn that process off in an easily convient manner...and this whole issue will no-longer be that big. Ha...My childhood name arises. Your sentence structure almost always is broadly targetted. I would hate to see you with a gun.
So the dictionary defines life. Interesting. MoonBat Bible if you will... The Dictionary! Some people do. A miscarriage for a women is a utterly terrible emotional, and physcial event. You're such a good little Nazi. You sound more and more like Hitler every day. That is simply sick. He certainly does, doesn't he. These ideals reminiscent of Hitler and Nazism. It is sick, and I grow closer and closer to putting Ferret on ignore as a result. There is nothing valuable in his posts anymore. He is simply disgusting. Because as others have said, he is sick.
yeah well let me know if you can actually come up with some reasons why unwanted pregnancys are good for the country? until then it seems that my opinion has more facts to back it up doesn't it?
As opposed to letting the bible (a work of fiction, superstition and fanstasy) define things for us.... hmmm
The absence of a heartbeat is death. Presence of a heartbeat is life. A child develops a heartbeat at 5 weeks in the womb. Just because you can't see the child makes it no less a life. To kill means to cause someone's death, the absence of a heartbeat. I find it amazing that you have not only been responsible personally for such, but advocate the murder of children as a means to not take responsibility for one's actions. I find it even more amazing that you are against the death penalty for murderers, pedophiles and rapists and wish to spend millions to keep them alive, but fully support murdering innocent children where one of the primary reasons, given in the past, is because it dips into your own personal welfare benefits. The hypocrisy is astounding. Death for innocent children; life for the worst scum society has to offer. Surely this defines "liberal family values."
Don't you get it! Without all those poor, uneducated kids the only cheap labor around is the illegals which they can't wait to kick out
I don't think I've ever seen a genuine interest for our country from you. I've seen you attack it almost daily, but never a concern for the good of our country. Do you feel that is the best justification for murdering innocent babies?
That's probably not fair to say. After all, you were not aborted and you turned out...well, nevermind, you might actually have a point there!
well in that case you should have no problems with the morning after pill and abortions up to 5 weeks? Right?
As stated in the past, I have less problem with either. No problem with the morning after pill as long as it's the morning after (or day after) and not used five weeks after. However, abortion up to five weeks would be extremely rare. I'm pro-birth control.
You do know that abortion is part of birth control? Practices employed by couples that permit sexual intercourse with reduced likelihood of conception and birth. The term birth control is often used synonymously with such terms as contraception, fertility control, and family planning. But birth control includes abortion to prevent a birth, whereas family planning methods explicitly do not include abortion. See also: What are Family Planning and Reproductive Health Programs? What's in a Word? www.planetwire.org/glossarylist.php preventing birth or reducing frequency of birth, primarily by preventing conception. www.nrdc.org/reference/glossary/b.asp Any method used to reduce births, including celibacy, delayed marriage, contraception; devices or medication that prevent implantation of fertilized zygotes, and induced abortions. http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0070294267/student_view0/glossary_a-d.html the regulation of the number of children born, referring either to the prevention of pregnancy (by birth control pill, sterilization, etc) or the prevention of birth (by abortion, etc) www.american-depot.com/services/resources_gl_b.asp You know gtech, you're sending out conflicting messages... if you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything
Then I should restate that I'm pro-birth control except for your method of choice, murder. Given my position, that should be clear, but, I tend to forget at times that I'm not dealing with the brightest of people. Birth control; pills, patches, contraceptives. "What form of birth control are you on?" "I'm taking the pill." vs. "My boyfriend got me knocked up again." "So what are you going to do?" "We're going to the doctor's office to have a birth control." Most people would get it. Apparently you didn't.
Shouldn't be a choice? Maybe you should move to Iran. You will have plenty of things not to choose from there. I'm sure you will feel right at home. And I thought people had the freedom to choose in this country, not to be told what they can or can't do with their own bodies. Oooh wait, I forget, you hold the Iran perspective. And to your logic, does boiling an egg equals killing a chicken?