South Dakota and its Abortion Ban

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by guy123, Oct 21, 2006.

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South Dakota Abortion ban

  1. Good for the nation - overturn abortion - it's terrible

    8 vote(s)
    32.0%
  2. Bad for the nation - the US should stay prochoice

    17 vote(s)
    68.0%
  1. LazyAK

    LazyAK Peon

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    #21
    You should have the choice, but you should not be able to use it as a form of birth control.
     
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  2. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #22
    And you're going to regulate this how?

    When you start making rape the 'exception' you're going to have girls saying the one night stand they agreed to and willingly had was a rape. Then we're going to have all kinds of police investigations arresting innocent men and wasting even more taxpayer dollars.

    You COULD chose to stay out of other people's lives and choices, you know.. by not outlawing them.

    Maybe you've never had a condom break on you, but it's not all that rare. :cool:
     
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  3. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #23
    What makes it a 'right', other than the courts?

    It's a very shaky arguement on their part.
     
    Rick_Michael, Oct 21, 2006 IP
  4. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #24
    I don't know what type of sex drive you guys have, but that is like saying just CHOSE NOT TO eat to me

    its very common actually

    murdering the babies is being responsible for their actions
     
    ferret77, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  5. guy123

    guy123 Guest

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    #25
    Yeah right now it will have to go to the Supreme Court, because The SC guaranteed the right to all citizens to have an abortion, with Roe vs. Wade.

    I think the majority of the nation would be content [for awhile] to have it as a state's right
     
    guy123, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  6. Grafstein

    Grafstein Peon

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    #26
    it shouldnt be a choice.
    The doctors are murdering these children,they may only be a cell but that cell could turn into a child.
     
    Grafstein, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  7. Rick_Michael

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    #27
    The vast majority of America (according to the polls) favors a generally limited version of abortion, not as-is. But liberals often get their agenda through the courts (by agenda-driven lawyers/judges), and not through the people. It would be nice to see a few liberals admit that many 'left' programs of government has been formented through illegitimate terms.
     
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  8. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #28
    What's funny is yo-yo's an athiest, and thus his morality is accordingly just 'in his mind', and not a part of nature. Thus it's odd for me to see the self-imposed seriousness of ones own created dogmas. I guess an atheist is not known for their doubts or humbleness...humorously the vigor of his absolute mind is more religious-like than those of religion.
     
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  9. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Source?

    Our own polls here in P&R have shown an overwhelmingly high support for abortion, 3/4 people wasn't it? ;)
     
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  10. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Find a dictionary that calls fetuses children. Until then stop using english incorrectly to support you're false position. Fetuses are not people, abortion is not "murdering" anything. Facts are facts, your false idealogy is just that, false. :rolleyes:
     
    yo-yo, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  11. Grafstein

    Grafstein Peon

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    #31
    Thats make another poll yo-yo with a more specific demographic.
    Thats target people with a religion (no athiests) and you will see the ture result.
     
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  12. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #32
    We'll see that religous right wants to force their fantasy views on everyone else, which is exactly why they are dangerous to everyone's freedom :cool:
     
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  13. Grafstein

    Grafstein Peon

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    #33
    its not fantasy,its a reality.These cells will turn into humans one day,killing them at week 1 or aged 15 theres no difference.
    Religions are a sanctuary of freedom.
     
    Grafstein, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  14. Rick_Michael

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    #34
    P&R polls of 'yes' or 'no', aren't real polls....they're dumb polls for dumb people (atleast if they take it seriously). I would never involve myself with such limited retardation. It's fuckin bipartisan bullshit.


    http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

    There's polls by many organizations. Some rather limited, and others vastly open. I prefer the ones that display the vast spectrum of REAL thought, rather than the limited black and white perspective on things...which is a manipulative perspective.

    Look through them all, and you'll get what I'm saying. Make sure you take a look under the term limitations, reasons, et al. The perspective is clear,...that the majority of America doesn't think 'black & white' on this issue.
     
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  15. marketjunction

    marketjunction Well-Known Member

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    #35
    Federal law supersede state law. Abortion is already illegal in some states, but the laws were voided with Roe v. Wade.

    The Supreme Court rarely reverses itself (2.6 times per session). One reason is because they (as do other courts) practice stare decisis.

    I don't believe in abortion which is why I or my wife won't have one. What someone else does is their own business.
     
    marketjunction, Oct 22, 2006 IP
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    #36
    They practice it, but it's not dogma. I believe they're one judge away from either limiting it or overturning it. Who knows,,,...maybe Kennedy might shift his perspective!?

    This is one of the many reasons why I think the next president will not be a democrat. Repubs believe they have far too much to gain by the next prez. If anything, they think Bush was good for that one thing.

    I actually liked listening to John Roberts senate confirmation hearing. I liked his reasoning.
     
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  17. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #37
    so every time there is a miscarriage there should be funeral?

    yeah right

    Fact is abortion is good for the country, although no one will say so publically, unwanted babies are the main source of criminals etc
     
    ferret77, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  18. Rick_Michael

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    #38
    For some reason I find the way you write things a bit sickening (at times). Given that your an atheist, your morality is a form of relativism ie it's based your own self-imposed standards. You voice your opinion in such a 'pragmatic' stance, when essentially your moral beliefs are nothing more than opinions in your own mind.


    Good example:

    Does an ant have a moral right to life...above man's? Most would say no, based on religious views and secular views. If there is no god, that view is a matter of opinion. Granted that, the only difference between the ant and the potential child is a standard in your mind. Being it's in the womb, it holds no relative interest to your relative morality.

    You're dogmatizing morality, and your an athiest. It's irony at it's best.
     
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  19. Grafstein

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    #39

    I must agree here,ferret your a good guy and all but you can say some sickening things.
    Hows abortian good for the country? a mis-carriage killed the potential kid and the corpse turns into nothing.
    But abortion is terminating a POTENTIAL life,mis-carriage naturally aborted but a mad-scientist doing taking out the jollies just aint right.
     
    Grafstein, Oct 22, 2006 IP
  20. marketjunction

    marketjunction Well-Known Member

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    #40
    The next president could end up appointing one more S.C. justice if he/she is in office for two terms.

    Of course, history shows us that just because a liberal/conservative president tries to put in a liberal/conservative justice, it doesn't mean that justice will end up following the anticipated lines (read: Justice Alito).
     
    marketjunction, Oct 22, 2006 IP