You are right. There is no strict evidence to believe that Laden is killed on Sunday. At least I don't trust Obama's speech. Because when he was delivering the speech about Laden's death, he hadn't the smile of VICTORY, while Obama always use to keep smiling. US Army killed the Terrorist, for whom the country's all intelligence branches was spying for over 10 years and the President of US was not carrying his usual smile as the sign of great vistory!!!!! I can't believe man. BTW, lets tweet this-> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake
Uncalled for, yes, and I was sincere, but I don't want to win . We argue, we share opinions, we discuss an issue, a problem. We're not here to win an argument. Are you? what's the score?
I do appriciate what you have said. We are here for chat, not to fight or win an arguement. But some people(may be little numbers of groups) are trying here to WIN(!) and increase there score.
I guess his family was part of the issue, the argument and the problem then. I'm not here to win either, I merely pointed how unnecessary it was to even mention his kids just because your opinion is different from indy's.
It was unnecessary indeed, and his family is not part of anything here. It was just a sincere thought I had at that moment. While our chat here is futile, a family like that is everything and deserve to be noticed. No big deal. It has nothing with the fact Indy and I have different points of view with the Bin Laden story. Back on topic, I just want to have 'solid' evidence he's been killed yesterday. Evidence I can't find anywhere so far...
Yes I am serious when an anti-war president of the US comes up and declares this . Obama is a anti-hegemony godie godie type guy . His voter are the fanatic hordes of racist voters and the liberals . The conspiracy theories are very popular among the liberal public , for him to make such a statement is a political suicide . Also the truth has a nasty habit of coming out no matter what , would the 1st black president risk his place in history by telling a blotted lie ? I think not , Obama may be a weak leader but he is not a moron . Also the US has keep well financed anti-Osama cells for a very long time . This cells got more and more powerful and more and more secret . The "Pakis helped us" and "killer of Muslims" - are the only half true elements in his speech . So far the evidence of the corpse is the only things that is not confirmed . If they wanted to cook up a nice story they could have just turned the compound t dust with Hellfires then claim that they found his remains at the site - far easier to cook and deploy , far more solid . Or just "track" him down inf Afghanistan and trow a MOAB in the place leaving only incinerated dust . The evidences will build up , unfortunately just like 9/11 people will believe some crude primitive conspiracy theory because the truth is 2 complicated for them to comprehend as a whole or because they'd rather die then accept the facts . The examples abound - from the Holocaust and Roswell to 9/11 and Iraq .
Any evidence released by the US government can either be the truth or a lie. It all comes down to the people and how they'll accept it.
Ok. Lets make it 50-50 and End this Laden issue here. Digital Point is going towards Analogic Points.
I couldn't agree with Rob more. Next they'll be asking us not to be pleased OJ finally saw the inside of a jail cell. Even watching the videos of the celebration taking place at ground zero, I have to admit that Bin Laden's death must bring some small form of closure to those people, many of whom were probably personally connected to someone who died on Sept 11.th. Its a monumental leap, to the point of absurdity, to compare people spontaneously gathering at ground zero and singing "God Bless America", to a group of skinnies dragging the corpses of two of their enemy combatants through the streets of Mogadishu. I understand the feelings behind the other Yahoos in other random cities hootin' and hollerin', shoving the US flag in the cameras, but I still think they need the 15 yard penalty assessed at the kick off for excessive celebration. I find both to be equally plausible. We currently have fly over rights in Pakistan for military aircraft, so only the firefight so near a military academy seems difficult to explain, but not impossible. I personally find it a lot more likely we would have dead seals if Pak officials were aware of the op. Props to President Obama for not emulating Jimmy Carter in this one small way. Given the many months that this operation took to setup, I don't find it hard to imagine that those men were killed to prevent Bin Laden from being given some time of warning. Its certainly more plausible than the idea he just killed them because he dislikes Pakistanis. Either way, the matter has been settled per Pakistani law, so asking what should be done with Davis is silly at this point. Davis, and the whole CIA team in Pakistan deserve the respect and congratulations of the American people, as well as the people of Pakistan. They accomplished as foreigners, something the Pak govt. couldn't do domestically for nearly a decade, despite the fact we gave them billions of dollars every year to do exactly that. Maybe now we are one step closer to pulling our troops and funding out of Pakistan, letting Pakistan and India deal with their own problems.
Ok excuse me, but this really made me laugh. If this is what people understand to be an anti-war president, then I would like to see how a War president is!! Also regarding 9/11 you are talking about people believing "conspiracy theories" which is now the new trend when people actually use their brain and common logic to understand a few stuff without just listening to the so claimed "politicians & experts" of them. Just my 2 euro cents and my little conspiracy theory.
Its hard to decide if bin laden is really dead or not. The original task was to completely bomb the building but Obama ordered not to do it and suggested a different approach so that there was some proof. But this dumping a body in sea is really confusing. Why would someone dump a dead body in a sea, unless his body was wrapped in a time bomb. If you remember they paraded Saddam's dead sons around to prove they were dead then why did the most wanted guy was dumped without any proof.
Hmm Regan was a war president and so was Bush (the 1st one) - look at what they have done during their presidencies . Common logic is the result of brain activity , unfortunately humans are imperfect so they use flawed logic . Take a science book and you will see how half of what the 9/11 conspiracy people are posting is annihilated . Logic is one of the best human characteristics but without the information you need to think you can only reach a flawed result . You don't need politicians or experts you need a brain and science . Just as observation it seems that your cents are USC since the website in your signature is down . May i suggest you brother to upgrade to Euro cents ?
And of course, this morning, al jazerah air a video showing a greyer beard Bin Laden alive...Been there, saw that...
The problem with terror is that the worlds #1 bomb dropper, the US government, is its global #1 sponsor. Its the US mindset: "we will exploit and bomb the shit out of the world and then be surprised and angry over 9/11" that is the real problem. Terror will be solved when one of these 2 things happen: 1) The USA stops bombing the crap out of the world because it needs to "Secure wall streets global interests" 2) Human nature changes and people actually start to like being bombed and pounded by the USA over money and greed my advice is don't hold you breath waiting for safer times...
Now which one is it...? --------------------------- I am leaving this thread now. People bringing up my family pisses me off and I think I will leave before I get more pissed and start saying and doing things that I shouldn't.Bottom line is this idiot don't know what to think. I have proved that many times. He/She just wants to argue.
Those who killed in 9/11/01 were not only Americans. There were people from Asian countries too, including Pakistan even. So I request all to not to blame any country. A country or Nationa cannot be blammed for few people's misdeed. Hope all will understand my simple speech.
Yes. Blame Osama like hell. Have a dog with his name. No one will care. But kindly stop abusing each other here. This topic has turned into a battlefield between we members. It is not good for us. We are all friends here. So lets forget about fighting between us and cheers up.
I agree. I'm out I guess. It is sometimes difficult to have an opinion without being insulted. It's OK. We're all different and we all try to have that freedom of speech...