Nevada to vote on legalizing marijuana

I agree except for the tax and regulation part. You think the government shouldn't be in everyones business so it should be legalized but you think they SHOULD be in everyones business just to make sure they are safe about it?

If you are for regulation and taxation to make something "safe" you might as well just be for illegalization.

Everybody knows government weed is crap!

 

Can we get rid of public services (for drugheads) that will constantly be in demand?

Make it all private....

I sort of see your arguement, but I'm worry that historical cases (e.g what happened in China) will reoccur.

 

Which has been been my point all along. Want to legalize (drugs or gambling). Great. But I don't want my tax dollars going for the inevitable rise in public services to feed/house/sustain these people

 

they are spending billions right now to house and feed all the convicts, and the cops and legal costs

http://www.drugpolicy.org/library/factsheets/economiccons/fact_economic.cfm

 

Yes. Law enforcement costs money. We all realize this. But if someone touts legalization as a "cost saving measure" then we have more additional side costs, in terms of welfare for the loser culture it encourages, why not simply spend it on enforcing current laws.

 

um because its not working, the war on drugs has been pretty much a total failure, there are more drugs now then ever and they are cheaper, and now we have something like 2 million people incarcerated , most of which for drugs

 

the war on drugs is failure because its treated as a law enforcement problem. it doesn't hit the root of the problem. where have we heard that before? anyways...

Legalization isn't the answer though. you are just substituting one problem for another one. Instead of having 2 million people in jail; you have 2 million people walking around doing drugs and being unemployed losers; where they'll need everything paid for them. Is that better?

 

Because everyone who does drug is an unemployed loser?




Because every drug dealer can't work?



Fantasy land, plus holding a prisoner costs about 27,000 - 32,000 a year, way more then anyone could get out welfare.

 

Exceptions to the rule. You and I both know, that if you do drugs, you are more likely to lose their job, become involved in crime, start other drugs, etc. A few celebrities doing it is a faulty argument, but I figured it was coming sooner or later.

Let's see. We'd probably have people clamouring for treatment programs, having the govt grow and produce the stuff to make sure its "safe", places for them to live if they do become drugged out losers, pay for their food. Then there is the families they'd probably produce, etc etc etc. I'm waiting for the cost savings to happen.

 

Anyone who has worked construction, or labor where doing drug is not considered taboo, will know tons totally functional people who do drugs. The same holds true with white color jobs its just more hush hush

yeah which would be elimated with legalization, there would be no need to commit crimes to pay for drugs

no probably private enterpise would create it, and the taxed from it would pay for any extra social costs created. Kind of like cigerettes and alcohol

and this isn't happening now?

 

What happens to the people who cannot buy more drugs because they've lost their jobs. the legality is, in part, responsible for their addiction. They still need the drugs. They no longer have income. How do they get money to buy more?

Or. More likely; the lawsuits against the companies who make the drugs which is what happens more with cigarettes. Either way. Fiasco.

You are the one touting legalization as an improvement. I haven't seen any suggestion of any improvements. See the point?

 

Did you miss the part about 40 billion a year being spent, and 2 million citizens incarcerated, and drugs on ever corner?

 

Yes. I haven't seen how a legalized situation changes any of that, though.

Drugs on every corner. Check

2 million citizens incarcerated. No, just out wandering the streets strung out.

40 billion a year being spent. Just transferred to feeding/housing those 2 million (or more) people.

All you've done is add government complicity in peoples' addiction.

 

I don't know if you don't get out much, or just don't know that many people but just because someone uses drugs does not mean they are strung out homeless junkie

You are not factoring in the millions generated by taxing drug consumption which is multi billion dollar a year industry

Do you think we should ban alcohol because there are some homeless alcoholics?

 

I know its not everyone. But, as I said, you have a greater tendency to be all that if you start using drugs. Do you deny that people who use drugs are more apt to crime, have illegitimate kids, be homeless, etc? You want to institutionalize this?

Would you be happy when your local city or state comes to you and says - welp, your taxes need to go up. Drug use went up again; we need to pay for treatment centers/housing/medical for these poor unfortunate souls.

Yeah. I think its a great idea. I can only imagine a wonderful world it'll be when we can buy pot, cocaine and crack in the same store where we buy cigarettes and beer. The tax money will make it all worth it.

Let's start with that as an example of why we shouldn't encourage drug use.

 

They vote on this in every election in NV and it gets shot down 5 to 1 every time.

As long as the government is in the business of "helping people" with their problems, we cannot legalize problematic behavior, because the taxpayers will end up paying for the problems something like marijuana causes.

Socialism and freedom don't mix.

 

Coulda sworn I heard about this same vote before, too!

Glad someone else agrees with my opinion on this.

 

If those hippies want their pot, give me my anarcho-capitalism, then you can smoke it up until you'll tethered in high orbit.

Otherwise I'm not paying for someone else's addiction.

 

you are already paying for their addiction , in the form of the 20 billion a year that goes to law enforcement and prisions

do you guys have trouble with critical thinking?

 

your tax dollars have already been used to curb decriminilzation of marijuana. did you know the US government has spent over a crapton of you taxes in keeping it illegal? that takes into account:
cost of active law enforcement +
cost of prosecution (and defense!) of accused offenders +
cost of incarceration of convicted offenders +
hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue that would be generated if drugs were legal and taxed
cost of foster care and social services for children of incarcerated offenders

the legalization of it would actually free up taxpayers' money to be used for something actually useful.

well in any case, they aren't gonna stop spewing out dough now, so i doubt that they are gonna let nevada slide with it.

in a cnn/time magazine poll a couple years ago i remember that around 47% of of americans have tried pot at least once.

edit: outside of the above costs, over 13 billion dollars have been spent since the nixon administration to spread propaganda against pot. with what? taxpayer's money of course.