Surge of indians illegally crossing border from Mexico to get into US

Oh thank you for the links wisecrack. Now give me some proof of zero stability too. And explain the ,military paronia angle a bit more? Only the EU should be allowed to have sophisticated weapons other than the US? Saw you ranting about Chinese military being weak in some other thread...an extremely ignoramus ranter you are.

Btw here's a link to an article on the environmental crisis in Romania. OMG your country is in deep trouble!

 

Out of curiosity, I checked that link and I've found out that the article is already six years old! Seems a bit old for a news, don't you think?

 

Dealing with ApocalypseXL you shouldn't think about the freshness of the article. Since he will post anything and everything to get his prejudicial orgasm, you have to respond in the same way.

 

Apologies for my unruly attempt to disrupt the discussion. I was carried away.

EDIT:
Peace.

 

OTMs (Other than Mexicans) are increasingly using the US southern border to enter the US. Most of the OTMs end up collecting more in welfare than they pay for the coyote or visa scam. So, it's worth it (for them). Illegal immigration is a big part of the welfare time bomb. 50% of illegals wouldn't be in the US, if they weren't able to get welfare.

 

So you'll have a stable nation without water supplies and whit the population on the rise ? Nice .

Yes nuclear subs are just a sophisticated weapon not a WMD . But sure join the China club . You're forgetting that the original nuclear subs where built to counter the threat of USSR's nukes . But NVM that India needs to be a threat right ? Ignore the poverty let make expensive weapons whit crap tech . Great idea to burn some billions .

Ya China's military is a glowing jewel . Tiral and tested in wars and ... Oh wait they never had a armed conflict in their entire modern history and there hardware is 20 years old . But they got numbe ... hmmm 1 billion chinese ... NATO combined forces about a billion as well ... OK what's the People's Opresion Army strength ?Parading ? [/QUOTE]

Yes a great article from an excellent source . This is why we got kicked out of the E.U. (which has very relaxed environmental laws .

Can i haz ROFLMAO ? Dude , i know it's hard but the reality is quite gruesome .

 

Finally wisecrack comes up with a reply after almost 10 days. Well then allow me to retort...

We do have quite a stable nation still. Ever heard of the largest democracy in the world? Whatever its flaws, the constitution India adopted in 1950 has never been repealed by a military coup...inspite of being in quite an unstable neighborhood. Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh...you name it and they've all had armies toppling politically elected rulers. Even Thailand is much more politically unstable than India. Amid a maddening diversity religions and cultures and a huge population people SUPPORT democracy.

Oh my God. WMD?!! Are you threatened sitting there in front of your PC? Dude, weapons are usually invented to counter a threat from one enemy or another. That doesn't mean it will always be used against that enemy and by the person/country that invented it. Its like saying the nuclear bomb was built to devastate Japan and therefore it cant be used on any other country or had by any other country apart from the US. I'm just giving an example of how stupid your statement sounds.

Obviously you are an ignorant brat living with a NATO bubble over your head..cannot expect you to know China had a war with India in 1962 which India lost. That pushed India to shore up defence spending. China and India still have a large boundary dispute and its also not relinquished the territories it captured in that war.

Coming to your claim that CHina's military hardware 20 years old and is 'crap tech' ..Are you aware that China just overtook Japan as the second largest economy in the world? Of course, I'm not saying that means China's technology is now better than Japan...but their spending power definitely is. In fact China has been the third largest economy for a while, and unlike pacifist Japan it has been spending massive sums on its military. It is not for nothing that the US considers China a growing military threat

Oh but you would like us all to beleive that China's military is more of bow and arrow tribals.

You can 'haz' as much ROFLMAO as you want. The reality though is not as gruesome as your bubble-head makes it out to be. You need to get your ass out of EU and travel to other countries to shed your prejudices and ignorance about non-western cultures. I wish Will Spencer was here, he's a well travelled guy and he would have some nice tips for you.

 

lolz.

but then of course most of them thought crossing is a chance to have a better life.

 

Thanks for bringing this up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_India#Water_supply_and_water_resources

Ever heard of the soon to be failed state ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Failed-states-index-2010.png

So that's related how with stability ? You're still gonna die by running out of food .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_India#Other_issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Hunger_Index

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine#Risk_of_future_famine

No my differently abled friend , the A bomb was built so it would counter the threat of nuclear Germany . But history is hard to read right ?
Also India's nuclear ballistic subs are meant to counter what ? Peace ? Or maybe you think it would be better if everyone had a Tsar bomb in their homes ?

You mean the 1962 border skirmish ? Hardly considered a war . Ivory Coast has more casualties in their recent conflict and that's not considered a war .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures#SIPRI_Yearbook_2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_level_of_military_equipment

Let me put in in simple words : Insufficient funds , Insufficient hardware , Insufficient knowledge .

Let's see they barely have any navy , their air force is 1-2 generations behind and their army is equipment is dwarfed when compered with the one under US , EU or Russia . They also lack the know-to when it comes to building weapons and their troops are 100% greenhorns that have never felt the baptism by fire .

The reality is a bit more gruesome then i can describe in a few novels . You need to get your head out of the "India is THE BEST" mentality and keep a cool head when looking at the world .

 

Let me just bring in here what your link shows and how stupid this looks:





So almost all of Asia including (China and India) Eastern Europe (including the whole of Russia) and more than half of South America (including Brazil) are on warning to be failed states. Brilliant. I mean whatever the kind of study this is, you ought to use some of your own brain to see this is not going to happen with a majority of the countries marked on the 'warning' to fail.

When you use the word stability in conjunction with a country, it usually means political stability. Unless you're really dumb.

I am not going to bother going through the rest of your links and responding to each and every rant, since you yourself don't deem to go through your own links. The image I've taken from your link above clearly shows you're willing to put up any retarded study to support your bias.

As I said, move your ass out of EU to other countries and see that the reality for yourself. You will fill out novels of self doubt. I've lived in the UK as a student and travelled to Europe so I every well know the difference in the quality of life. Only because I choose to respond to your dumb prejudiced posts against my country does not mean I have any illusions of the reality. You can shoot however much from your behind sitting in front of your PC, but you know very well you are lying when you claim that I said or think "India is the best."

However that's not the point. The point is a Romanian immigrant with a big EU hard-on using half baked knowledge to troll the forums with India sucks is not acceptable

 

Yes Sar when out of arguments go ahead and question the experts . I mean who the bleep are Wikipedia to post something that classifies INDIA!!! which is BEST !!!!!!!!
as a possible failed state . Those morons at Foreign Policy (the guys who did the study) must be wrong the world is fine forget about global warming , overpopulation and a rapid depletion of resources . The world will be just fine if we sit on our asses .

In case you didn't noticed i was talking about stability as a whole not about the stability of your corrupt government . You decided to talk about political stability completely dodging the issue .

On the basis of this "wise" arguments that you made you decide to be a complete ignoramus on the rest of the post . You are very offended by my opinion on India . I'd be very offended if my money would go towards building nuclear ballistic subs . Who's India gonna nuke ?

I guess i do hold a bit of grudge against India but not as nation but as a state that sits on it's ass while the planet dies . Don't feel special i have the same hatred for China , Brazil , KSA and even Norway . Until 2005 the US was also on the list .

I don't hold any prejudice against any nationality and I do have real life friends from places like Pakistan and Nigeria . You can be as offended as you want by the truth it still doesn't change it .

 

Its not just about India dude, you really think South Africa is going to be a failed state any time soon? Or even Brazil? I am not saying the folks who did this study are biased but its such a far off possibility that more than half of the world's countries (marked in orange) are potential failed states. Its actually laughable. And you're quoting this study to say India is a "soon to be failed state." Brilliant.

Of course I am offended by your ignorant rants based on half baked knowledge. Have you heard of the word deterrent? Perhaps not. As I mentioned earlier and you ignored, India has long standing security issues with China, which although you don't agree is a formidable nuclear power. It probably has the third largest nuclear warheads after the US and Russia. And it has been trying to pressure India into submission on various boundary disputes.

I will repeat this, no country has the right to claim that its only them which should have nuclear weapons and the others not. Just because there is poverty in India the external security threats (posed by China and Pakistan) cannot be ignored. You are perhaps trying to compare your own country's (Romania's) requirements with India but the scenarios are completely different. If you had instead of generalizing taken time to read some history you would know the important role India plays as a democracy in a region plagued with political instability.

There, finally you accepted that. Do you mean to say India is responsible for the destruction of the planet while the developed countries have been saints? Aren't you targetting the wrong country with your rants? See this diagram for per capita CO2 emissions ...orange are the worst polluters:


Source

Developed countries from EU and North America have had a much bigger role to play in polluting this planet than India. So honestly, get a life.

May I know what did the US do after 2005 that you stopped hating it after that year?

As I've shown above, your version of the truth is based more on prejudice than facts. But its good to know you have friends from Pakistan and Nigeria.

 

Africa and Brazil - do some research . I may post why they suck when i'll have more time .

Deterrent against against China ? Lol they could eat you for breakfast . A real deterrent would be a missile shield .

Per capita ? You forgot about "biggest democracy" ? Add the fact that while the EU ,US , Russia , Japan and others are trying desperately to find solutions and to implement better laws and you can see the difference .

 

I said South Africa (its a country) and Brazil. You better not confuse it with the whole African continent.

India is developing that too but the induction stage is a long way off. As of now the US has the best know-how for a Missile shield. Its better to start with proven technology for a deterrent. In any case, a nuclear deterrent is best when you have a hostile nuclear neighbour

You did not tell me why you stopped hating the US after 2005. Anyways, India is also doing its bit. The public transport in most metro cities in India now runs on Compressed Natural Gas (CNG), which has negligible emissions. Also, for private transport we have been implementing the Euro emission norms in phases since the year 2000. Currently the Euro IV emission norms are in force in the 13 major cities of India. India is also an active participant at the international climate change summits that take place (annually I beleive) in discussing future strategy against climate change.

 

Bigotry towards a nation won't take you anywhere. Grow up

 

Oh ya the US started implementing draconian measures against air pollution and changed their attitude trough wards the Kyoto protocol .

Lol the entire planet is a neighborhood due to ICBMs it not something like "i got a gun cuz i live in a bad neighborhood" . As for India scarring China with NBCS (nuclear ballistic carrying submarines) that will sure make them crap their pants . They only outnumber you in warheads by a massive factor so MAD is out of the question and they possess quite a fleet of medium ranged attack submarines .

Also stop bringing childish stuff like the Baharat into question . I'm took climatology classes and I'm an engine maniac . You norms are twice as weak compared with the Euro IV ones and even those are long out of date (6 years is a huge amount of time for global warming) .

How many arguments do you need crushed to see that your country is in a world of problems(as you can see you're not alone) and that what I'm saying is just the truth ?

Africa and Brazil to come Any more requests ?

@laxman Read the dam "discussion"

 

The threat of even one nuclear bomb being dropped in retaliation for a nuclear attack is enough of a deterrent. So the number of nuclear warheads doesn't matter that much. India is not trying to race with China to match the number of warheads it has. The percentage of GDP India allocates to defence is still lower than what many other countries allocate, including China and Pakistan. Yet, we need something of a credible nuclear deterrent to keep threats at bay.

Why do EU countries have nuclear weapons, ICBMs, WMDs? With whom are they anticipating a war? Stop giving your stinky moral judgements...prejudice is only making you look stupider.

Firstly, its Bharat and not Baharat. The Euro IV norms as currently implemented in India are exactly the same as the ones that were in force in Europe till some time back (I beleive Euro 6 are currently in force in the EU). You have completely lost whatever little credibility you had with this statement. Give me one proof that shows the current Euro IV emission norms in force in India are twice as weak and you might just regain some respect for yourself

Definitely not anything from you. You've proven you're a prejudiced bigot. What you're saying is just half-truths and sometimes complete lies (like above). Show me the proof I've asked above and then we'll see.

 

You already have ICBMS like the Agni which are more then enough for deterrence . The 5 nuclear ballistic submarines are purely offensive weapon , unfit for a country that proclaims a "retaliation only" nuclear policy .

You said you where a student but you behave like you never heard of the Cold War . And unless you've been living under a rock you should have hear of START .

Your own article says so : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat...ctiveness_of_present_pollution_control_system
The speed difference - the 25% additional speed of the tests makes a stage 4 engine spew out 47.5% more emissions . Also because the tests is done at ~26 C instead of subzero the A/F ratio is far better since the sensors , lubricants and engine parts are warmed up and coolant density is far smaller , this factors combine result in a emission reduction from 50% to 150% depending on the engine type and age .

So there you have it 47.5% from speed and 50 to 150% from the temperature and your norms are twice as weak . Should I add the fact that you are 6 years behind even if your standards would be identical ?



Also a bonus why have SA & Brazil been put under the failed state warning :
1. Brazil :
Extremely strong crime : http://blog.nibrinternational.no/#post30
Massive destruction of the Amazon rainforest : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Brazil
2. South Africa :
Electricity Crisis : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa#Electricity_crisis
Environmental damage and reduction of fertile land : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa#Agriculture
More trouble : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-warns-country-could-become-failed-state.html

 

It was just a test. It will still take a few years for India to induct the ICMB version of Agni in its arsenal

 

Dude, the cold war is long over. So why do UK and France need all those nuclear weapons? Also, the end of the cold war hasn't stopped EU countries from continuously developing offensive weapons capabilities.

As for START

Firstly, its just a treaty between US and the USSR. Secondly, I don't see any worthwhile reduction in offensive weapon capabilities - both the US and Russia have huge stocks of nuclear warheads.

Setting the technicalities aside, this is exactly what "my article" says in two lines:

The Bharat Stage norms have been styled to suit specific needs and demands of Indian conditions. The differences lie essentially in environmental and geographical needs, even though the emission standards are exactly the same.

So, your claim that the emission standards adopted in India are twice as weak as the Euro ones are pure BS. It was pretty obvious you would never get proof for your assed-up claim and therefore you're putting up data on how there would be different emissions with a change in engine or change in climate

Go ahead, add the fact. And forget the fact that India is still a developing country, unlike the countries in Western Europe. It cannot be as fast at adopting these norms just like it cannot be as fast in acquiring all the latest weapons capabilities of NATO.

And Romania is a failed state coz it has witches