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Good job Arnie, do you think Jaree believes Jesus IS God?

 

Yes Good Job its great to know that you can copy paste Anyway NO i do not believe Jesus is God infact i dont think anyone believe that but i dont know about which religion you are linked to I believe Jesus was a prophet of God like all muslims

I suggest that you read through full thread before trying to raise your post count

 

Mormonism claims the Bible fortold Joseph Smith.

Same crap, different packaging.

First God sent his prophets and they stoned then. Then he sent his Son and they hung him on a tree. Now he gives us his Word in writing and we burn it.

As I said a long time ago, the law of the prophets if that if one thing fails to come to pass that was claimed to have come from God, nothing that was spoken by that prophet is valid.

And here we have Muslims claiming that portions of the Bible are not really God's word. If you believe that then you're a fool to believe any of the Bible and you might as well burn it. Because at that point you are trusting in men to tell you what God really said. Which isn't trusting God's word at all.

So I don't know why they're spouting off about Mr M in the Bible. You could find Mr M in Moby Dick if you looked hard enough. All it proves is that you're illiterate and have no desire to understand what the author is really trying to say.

I can find Mr M and Joseph Smith in the Bible; every verse that talks about false prophets and false Gospels.

 

I wonder when mankind will stop postulating answers and start raising questions. God, we are here such a short time. Hadn't we better seek to know the world we live in, use the brains that god gave us (if this is your belief) to study, learn, seek, rather than sit in mental lassitude and smug self-righteousness, all in condemnation of our neighbor?

Consigning Mormons, muslims, jews, "apostates," you name it, to hell - as long as I believe I have the absolute handle on anything, I am as full of shit as my geriatric dog, Max. Only he is happy to be full of shit.

 

*This is from the gospel (below). I like this quote from Jesus: 'Be forewarned: Unless your righteousness exceeds the pseudo-righteousness of the religious, you will not set foot inside the kingdom of heaven.'

http://www.thewords.com/english/index.htm


The Problem of Religion

Take heed; beware of living your life on religious "food."

By now you have certainly forgotten the five loaves that fed the five thousand, with twelve baskets left over, and the seven loaves that fed the four thousand and the plenty that remained. But I am not speaking to you about earthly food. No, I have come to warn you against feeding on the ideas and false teachings of those who market in religion.

In vain such people worship me, teaching as doctrines what are merely the inventions of men. Preoccupied with their own superstitions, they have forgotten the commandments of God.

Beware of false teachers who stand before you wearing sheep's clothing. Beneath their guise hides a ravenous wolf. They follow their true master, the evil one, and do what as he commands them. He was a murderer from the beginning, and never told the truth, because there was never truth in him. When he lies, he speaks in character, for he is a liar, and the father of lies.

To those who set themselves up to be your judges I say, judgment upon you, false teachers. Hypocrites! You, who will never enter the kingdom of heaven, bar the very way to those who long to go in. You travel across land and sea to gain one proselyte; and when that person is won, you make them two times more the child of hell than you are yourselves. Do you not merit great damnation?

You steal from the poor and the widows; and then, to conceal your true intentions, you make long pious prayers.

You decree: "The temple is unimportant. What is important is the treasury of the temple!"

But which is greater: the gold in the treasury, or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

And you say: "The altar is not important; but the gift that is upon it is important."

You are both foolish and blind. Which is greater: the gift on the altar, or the altar that sanctifies the gift?

Whoever honours the altar honours it and all things upon it. And whoever honours the temple honours him who dwells within its walls. And they who honour heaven, honour the throne of God, and he who sits upon it.

You make ceremonial offerings of even the herbs that grow at your front door. All the while, you have forgotten the weighty matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith.

Your vision extends not one inch in front of your face. Piously you strain a gnat from your wine, and proceed to swallow a camel. Self-righteously you clean the outside of your cup, while inside remains the grime of extortion. How blind can you be! First take care of what is concealed within. Only then will the outside be clean.

False teachers! In your hypocrisy you are no better than whitewashed tombs, which might appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of death and decaying bones. You may impress people by your superficial demonstrations of virtue, but inside you are consumed with hypocrisy and have fallen short of the truth. How can you believe, who live only for your colleague's praise, never seeking the honor that comes from God alone?

You build monuments to the prophets, and place flowers at the tombs of the righteous, and say: "If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have allowed their innocent blood to be shed."

Be witness to your own inconsistency! You are the descendents of those who killed the prophets, and have surpassed even their wicked acts. Snakes! Generation of vipers! How will you escape the condemnation of eternal judgment?

Behold, in the days to come, I will send you prophets, and wise men, and teachers. Even these you will kill and crucify. Yes, even these you will persecute, and pursue to the ends of the earth.

Such hypocrisy! Isaiah was right when he prophesied of you: "They approach me with their mouths, and honour me with their lips; but their hearts are far from me."

You justify yourselves before your congregations; but God knows the evil intentions of your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed by man is repulsive in the sight of God.

Take heed: Many will come from the east and west, and enter joyfully the kingdom of heaven. But many who should have come in will be banished instead to the darkness outside. Be forewarned: Unless your righteousness exceeds the pseudo-righteousness of the religious, you will not set foot inside the kingdom of heaven.

 

Keep that BS to yourself as no one here would like to hear those lame lies. If you have nothing better to say its good to just keep your mouth shut. You ofcourse dont know what religion is and what it mean to others so you get off posting that crap. I again REQUEST everyone that they mind the words they are using and if those words will hurt other people or not. You know what Mr K you have just proved how illitrate you are and i surely do not like to argue with 16 year old idiots and ignorant people

 

That's a wonderful link Michael I just needed.

Jaree
If someone points out a mistake in your computing you would be most thankful, wouldn't you? - and most likely you would adjust to do better.
And if someone points out a mistake on a spirutual realm than you act like a mocking child. Why?

I believe that you can teach me something about computing but I also know that you need clean spiritual food for you spiritual well-being.

I have taken the link you provided, so you can't say that I'm ignorant to your posts and found at the first page, which i read 3 times and not as you assumed one paragraph, extreme missleading conceptions.

I wish that God will chase you, perhaps there is some hope still left for you.

 

Well, The anwer is No. But you have to accept that all the persons of that time were mently sick as no one even Prophets Enemy point out as this was practiced normally there.

2nd, We Muslims do know knw better that no one was wrong, This fire was just been put into both Ameer ul Momineen Hazrat Ali (ra) and Hazrat Ameer Muawiya (ra) and it was done due to the 3d party. I don't want to get that into as the topic will move to some other way.

If you want this topic than start on board.finalummah.com, And Inshallah we will satisfy you.

And It went against your own Bible verse ::

How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law?

Well, This is not the matter of taliban, Its the matter to Who Attacks on whom and who responds. If you want that field that who was behind 9/11 We can get into new thread for some chat. And Still I do believe We Condemn all the Innocents who are killed any where even in America & England.

But I hope you will Condemn the killings of innocents and Rape by Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan were against the rules.

This is not the matter of a single person, Many of the Real Followers of God neglected some verses already. and still my Q'n is not answered.

How come Leviticus 20:10 was compromised in the Bible and was never applied to King David?! Didn't King David know about this law?

Shame on islam

Why then use it(the Bible) at all? Whom do they(you) seek to blind?

Take the chance if you are really seeking the truth and don't go with the ones who twist it.
That will serve you best.[/QUOTE]

Than seek the truth inside when the rules of Bible are Applied to Just the Followers not Davis or other Personalities.

I already make some statements which need some answers

 

To the story of David:

Davids mistake and commited adultry is still affecting our lives today.
He has sought forgiveness from God about that and God didn't put hm to death; but it was still the time of the old testament so this why we are all still affected by this event he created.

So pointing out stories from the old testament doesn't make sense to argue in present time since the rules have changed. It just telling us and showing us the cosequeces of sin.

The only Author in the old testament that didn't commit sin was Daniel - my favorite.
Something about him?

Oh, yes, when he was chosen for being prepared as a wise man he refused to eat meat and asked the cook to give him vegies instead. He did something against the kings (he ordered to feed the chosen group of young men with meat) will but for his advantage finally.

Posintgpay

Believe it or not. Muslims claim that the Bible is made up and manipulated.

If that would be so, these kind of testemonials would be left out.
The Scriptures are not hiding anything.

Look, what Davids deed have caused: from the very time of his sin a curse was on his family, you can find out when you search the history and only until Jesus's coming the curse was removed, by the blood of Jesus and by his stripes.

 

Wow, One more thing I understand. Mulims Believe in One God.

Many Christians Believe ::

Jesus Is God.

According to Arnie ::

we are children of God,

So,

God is God.
Jesus is God
We are Children of God


So All the christians are God ?????

Wow, There are alot of Gods ... But I don't again Bible will agree you ...

 

We are saved by God's grace through faith in him and not by our deeds. Nobody can justify him/herself by his/her deeds.

Yes, in accepting that fact we're adopted and children of His Majesty, the Lord God Allmighty and King Of Kings in the name of Jesus Christ. - Amen
Makes one feel confident too.

 

So, Old Testiment is not applicable to our Lives anymore ??

Yes, They are left out. And I don't think New Testiment speaks like this about him .. Did it ???

If not than Old Testiment in not applicable anymore.
If yes, than New Testiment is Speaking against Old one.

What would you choose ??

So, You love Danel. Me too.But what was the status of Him according to the christians ??? I am much confused in this serously.

Please explain in posative manner.

 

The old testament is not applicable for judgment anymore and just here for us to see our ancestors mistakes and to learn from it.
The old testament teaches us and was foretelling the coming of Jesus, this why its still important to us. Jesus fullfilled the old testament and the commandments from the old testament, because no man is able to do.
Not even muhammad was able keep the basics of the laws.
I'm not talking about cultural rules and regulations. I'm talking about the ten commandments.

It's the last book in the old testament. Read it thoughtfully.
The sriptures are translated in over 2200 languages so you can read it in your own language.

The book of Daniel in the old testament and the book of revelation which is the last book in the new testament are going hand in hand.

Daniel is for me the major prophet of the old testament pointing to the new one to come.

 

No, I read then already but there are verses claiming Danel to be God as well ??

 

Nothing left out and God didn't change his mind because of Davids sin, but promised us the One in the line through David, Jesus Christ, for salvation.

Now focus on God's grace in this testimonial of God himself.
Could muhammad have done that?
Then why is it after approx. 500 years of the coming of Jesus to turn the new testament upside down again?

There must be someone right and someone wrong here.
What you think? Is God right or wrong or is muhammed right or wrong?
Both can't be, so you have to make your choice.

Show us that please

 

Un Satisfied Answer to them who don't believein Salvation of Jesus ...

None of Prophet Done that ... and Even according to Us Jesus don't as well.

Nothing was put upside Down. It Just removed the Wrong Believes of People of Old ages as God Always Did through Torah, Zaboor, Injeel.

It was quite common to often find Christians claiming Jesus is God based on the fact he was worshipped, and he did not reject that worship. Christian's assume that as a result of this, this then makes Jesus God. However, what is interesting, is that given this criteria, this would then also make the prophet Daniel God. The reason I say this is because:

1- In the book of Daniel, the prophet Daniel was worshiped

2- The prophet Daniel did not reject this worship neither.

So note, Daniel is worshiped by the king, and Daniel does not reject this worship neither. So based on the Christian's argument, this makes the prophet Daniel God as well. ISn't ???

 

Thank you for calling me by my chosen name.

The 'word' online (ie the site I gave you) is especially valueable. You can download mp3's of the gospel....it makes the experience of hearing the word,...well,...more enjoyable. Jesus (or YASHUA) really does transcend religion in a sense. He's admirable on so many levels, in which I fail to understand why some people reject him so easily. I'm a 'doubting thomas', whose faith is weak...but I by no means am blind to 'good'.

Open my eyes...it's there.

 

As i said theres no Bible and christianity. Christianity is the worlds biggest FAKE. FAKE . FAKE

 

You keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true. It makes you a kook.

1. There is a bible. I've seen it. It exists.

2. There is Christianity. I've seen the Christians. They exist.

 

Maybe he's a recent apostate

Coo kook a choo, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know
(Wo wo wo)
God bless you, please Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
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