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Did you purposely misunderstand twalker?

Is this a way to try to confuse the issue? Seems like most everything you say twists what was said at least a little to confuse or make the person look like they said something that they didn't.

 

Huhh? When I say a story I mean it sounds like a typical story out of the Bible. Whats the end of the story though?

Looks like King David saw a woman he was attracted to and he called for her, she was brought to him and they had sex! and????

Was it being told to show a lesson? Did God chastise King David in 2nd Samuel 12 (the next chapter)?

In other words whats the rest of the damned story! Did it end there?

The original author I quoted (Postingpays) says that the Bible is pornographic and X-rated and Biblical characters perverted. His proof? someone had sex in the Bible> end of story> but thats not the end of that story!

You can't just cherry pick a sexual liasion out of the middle of a story and say see! Someone had sex ( God forbid ) therefore biblical characters are pervs!



AND BTW he was doing that while try to justify Muhammads sex with a 9 year old.

About 2 posts up from the one I quoted, Postingpays came up with a whole list of "proof" that the little girl enjoyed sex with the 54 year Muhammad. After all "she never complained"! I somehow doubt she had much choice but to go along with the program. Muhammad was no stranger to having people executed who crossed him.

hardee har har...

Again I'm no fan of the Bible but let us be just a little fair.

 

Was she reasonable to get gelous or not?

Answer 1: "Yes she was reasonable" which means that Muhammad was doing something wrong.
Answer 2: "No she wasn't reasonable" which means that she was mentally sick and needed a sychologist.

Some muslims believe that she was actually mentally disordered. She was the one who picked the sword against Khalifa, what is the punishment of someone who stands against Khalifa and waste muslims blood?

 

i am from turkey and nobody can say something to islam

why don't you want muslim people ?

what we did you ?

maybe some terrorist gruop do something but they only believe muslim ( not all muslim people terorist )

 

May i rephrase that for you

Why do you hate muslims so much... What have we done to you guys. Not all muslims are alike and true muslims are NOT terrorists and those who are terrorists and say that they are Muslims are actually Muslims just by name and actually are not following teachings of Islam

 

Did anyone know that Mummahed prophet was a care taker in some Kingdom and then he killed the king of that area and married the queen who was 20 years elder to him
thats how Mohammed prophet was

 

Jaree, I think some of the issue may be that when evidence is presented of atrocities, and someone, such as Menj, who claims to speak for mainstream, Islamic orthodoxy, categorically refuses to condemn such atrocities, we who are not muslim are left with nothing else but to conclude this is, in fact, the "mainstream" muslim viewpoint.

Perhaps you can help here. Among many issues that I have found deeply disturbing, the one that is currently at the forefront for me, is what I find to be an abhorrent treatment of women under theocracies such as that of the Taliban. It is widely known that the Taliban publically executed women before crowds of cheering men, in public stadiums; apparently over supposed "crimes" the Taliban deemed worthy of the woman's death. We in non-Islamic society find such "justice" nothing short of cowardice, and blatant, inexcusable murder.

Weeks ago, believing him to be a reasonable, thoughtful representative of "mainstream Islam," I provided the link that Menj asked for, in proof of such murder. It has been asked of him, repeatedly, if such summary "justice" is right, or wrong. He refuses to answer.

I ask this in good faith of you. I believe you to be sincere in your beliefs, and I presume you speak for muslim orthodoxy.

Is the public execution of women, for things such as adultery or other merely "moral crimes" the Taliban deems worthy of summary justice, right, or is it wrong?

Is the public beating of women for "moral crimes" such as walking with no socks on one's feet, or walking unattended with a male relative, right, or is it wrong?

There are others. I'd ask these of you for now.

Thank you,

Paul

 

*caugh*

Ahem, what do you expect?

... the same reaction as usual ...

 

Jaree has made a reasonable post, and I've made a reasonable request to him. As he is not Menj1980, I'd like the opportunity for him to respond. If one condemns such actions, then we have a dialogue.

 

You should PM him

 

Jaree has made a post, and I wish to have him answer a question, to the betterment of all of us who have been engaged in this debate.

You have posted dozens upon dozens of posts on this subject, have you not? Why do you now call for pm's over public discussion?

 

It's to crap his attention and you will find out how he reacts.
I didn't mean to keep a dialogue on PM.
Just ask him per PM if he's ready to answer

 

Ah, gotcha, sorry, misunderstood. Yes, done.

 

Thanks, I will keep posting reply's here as long as everyone follow one simple rule and that is do not assume anything and then talk bad about Prophets,God i dont mind giving your opinions but respect others and try not to offend anyone with the words you use. Now to answer your question

Simple answer it is NOT right at all, However you must understand that those people are not following what Islam teaches. Islam does not teach to disrespect your women instead islam teaches to respect them more. If i had any authority i would separate all such (bitches) who are doing all that in the name of islam and simply do the same thing they are doing with those women. Once again i must say that, Thats not islam and islam oppose such kind of views. I have studied different religions and never seen teachings that gives more rights to women in any religion other then islam.

Same thing with those Terrorists(MFs) thats all politics as known as money game and ignorant people are trapped in those fake Mullahs views about jihad which make all that BS

Hopefuly i have answered but if i missed something do let me know (Not via PM )

 

Thank you. You answered quickly, and directly. My questions originally went to Talibanic justice, and although Menj, purporting to speak for Islam, never answered the question, you did so, in a matter of minutes. Perhaps this is a first step to better understanding.

Best regards,

Paul

 

I am glad i could help you and i hope you understood it right, Once again remember Taliban are not representative of Islam so you should not base everything on what they do. Remember that they are political organization and 99% if not 100% political organizations including Parties in the world do whatever that can help them in controlling Govt or economy and their main goal is not to make Public happy and if some country has political organization working to make Public happy i think that place will be heaven for sure but i havent found one yet. Some of you may think that in US or UK politics is for public and everything is in access of public but its not. Wish everyone could stand for presidential elections without need of money and other stuff but thats not how things work.

 

Hail to the memory of Ata Turk who is no doubt the man of 20th century.

Apparently muslims hate each other more than members of this forum. As far as I know nobody here has killed a muslim - so far at least -

If not all muslims are terrorists why don't they demonstrate against them? How come they demonstrated against US but never demonstrate agains Taliban.
Where were muslims when Afghani girls were forced to hide themselves and banned from education?
Where have muslims been in these many years that some of them kill and rape black non-mulims in Sodan?
What do the muslims do about gays who are being executed in Islamic countries?
What do muslims say about raping and killing in the name of Islam in hell of the Islamic republic of Iran?
Why don't they support the right of women in Saudi Arabia to drive a car.
...

Mind you! the number of muslims being killed by muslims is far more than the number of them being killed by US and Isreal.

How come they keep saying "Death to Isreal" and never say "Death to terrorists"? I say because they are terrorists in heart, they can simply prove me wrong if they want.

Do you need more reasons to hate muslims? The only thing that muslims haven't done is exploding the moon.

 

The first and clear response to a question from Jaree on an important issue, all the others didn't bother to comment which is sad.

 

You made some points here.

I really believe if muslims would stand up and protest for human and womens's rights we would have iraq all over islamic nations.

This should not be an excuse for them not to do it though.
They have to take up these tasks in order not to lose their tiny credibility.

I do believe that the impulse must come from within their societies.
If it has to come from outside, and we are close to this point, then wars will be inevitable.

 

Who told you that true muslims dont demostrate against Talibans and such BS organizations. You cannot just get involved in other countries matters if that was possible i am sure their would be some big CLASH I blame all those fake Mullahs for some of those matters and those ignorant people who have nowhere else to go. I know some Muslims are going crazy these days but understand that i do not accept them as True muslims. True Muslim is one who follow Islamic teachings and Islamic teachings surely does not teach that. I say Death to Terrorists how else you want me to say that.
Another thing to notice in some of the above questions is that its not matter of relgion its matter of Culture more then Religion. It takes time for a country to change its culture. India is not Islamic country but it has culture that is kind of same as of Pakistan. Why do indians respect their women so much, Why cant they see them going out with other men. Some Europeans and Americans may not mind their wives sleeping with other men because thats not a very big of a deal here but in Asia it is Its same for India,Sri Lanka,Nepanl,Bhutan and all those countries. hope you get what i mean and if not i suggest that you check out this website that is actually True Islam
www.alislam.org and if you find something objectionable in that i am ready to answer because i know thats right Islam and not the one Taliban are teaching. I suggesst everyone here to check that website out to learn more about What TRUE islam is

From now on if you guys can take that website as true teaching of islam and then ask questions that would be nice because you should know who real islam representatives are. I also know that Christianity representatives are not those Criminals and Napolean was not representative either so i look at representative sources to make an arguement and i request you do that same thanks