To me family is important for several reasons (which don't ALWAYS apply). 1)The number one reason for poverty is having a family without a father present. 2)I think not having two parents present, gives a level of deficiency in a childs upbringing ie they're less likely to suceed in many ways and might acquire more problems. 3)A good relationship between father and mother effects the perception of a child in future relationships. ^^^These being the most concise and important. Liberal countries tend to have lower marriage rates, and usually imply harsh laws upon men. It sets up a means for women to be single parents w/financial support. (Is it desireable to have a country of single parents?) Generally America (other than Italy) has a very high marriage rate, but an evergrowning divorce rate. Unlike America, Italy has very low divorce rate, mostly due to the everpresent Catholic faith. I believe the general influence of religion, especially in the conservative part of the Republican party tends to have an influence in their culture. I've seen many convos on FreeRepublic (a conservative forum) speaking about the importance of family and keeping things together. I don't ever recall hearing anyone speak about the importance of family in any liberal forum or in the bay area [where I live]...and I know a lot of liberals. Why does it seem that liberals aren't family oriented? Note: I'm sure there are many family oriented liberals...but it doesn't seem to be a part of the liberal culture. Thoughts?
I think its really hard to be "pro-family values" when part of the people who push the agenda regularly state that man aren't necessary; that marriage is an archaic tradition (but will fight for the right to water it down so its meaningless); that everyone should work and that moms who stay home have their priorities messed up.
That's what concerns me about liberal leadership...they seem to hate marriage (philosophically), but it has many practical benefits. I know there are liberals that believe in family values, but their leaders don't really personify those values as good. It's among the many reasons I find it hard to support the democratic party. I remember reading the two stories, and while not being appealed by either, I felt insulted by the second one ie I felt it was selfish. http://www.forbes.com/home/2006/08/23/Marriage-Careers-Divorce_cx_mn_land.html
My opinion: Conservatives (regligous) will continue a marriage even when the man/woman no longer love each other just to avoid the "shame" of divorce. Same for if one parent is doing abusive (verbally, physically, sexually) things to the child. The faithful mother will pretend it doesn't happen, or ignore it (Sort of like the church and preists).
It's always conservatives (those evil people!) isn't it yo? Can't ever look beyond your own little ideological models.
I'm not a conservative in the general sense, but I believe it's because they don't want the value of marriage to be dissolved. Or as lorien says in reference to democrats:'but will fight for the right to water it down so its meaningless.' I don't really favor state marriage,...I believe it should be in private law, so we can avoid all the messiness and cost of divorce it will have on society. Not that I favor divorce, I just think it will always be a part of any country. Things don't always work. I live in the bay area, and I don't give a fuck about gay rights. They have a right to live their sexual lifestyle in their house,...other than that, they have the same platform of being shit on, as every other person has.
no one stops a gay couple from entering into a legally binding agreement. why hell bent on calling it marriage? Is it a magic word or something? I'm confused. The state could easily make something else with the exact same benefits and no one would complain. Its the religious conotation of marriage that gets people's panties in a bunch.
Nope. It's just your idiot posts all have the same theme. Republicans and conservatives - those evil people do this, Do that. *yawn* why even bother making the post?
Do you believe that marriage is more financial practical than being a single parent? Also... Do you think it's more beneficial to the child many times? Granted you restrict the very severe cases of abuse and molestation. It's of my opinion that some people don't try enough. That this is part of the selfish element I view in America. I don't think I would restrict abuse to political/religious idealogy. People stay with abusive people of all different stripes....it's a much more complicate thing than just religious fervor.
Rick makes the point I was too lazy too. I've known married people who stayed together after abuse, affairs, etc. With kids and without kids. They always say "until you are in the situation, you don't know" - its not yo's simplistic "religious/party-line" idiocy. Its more of a human condition, deal. What you can accept and not accept.
No. I think it's way worse. What do you think is worse for a child? To hear his mother/father screaming, arguing and possibly beating at each other constantly because they're too stupid to seperate... or see them at seperate times when they're civil? The problem rick, is with young people "knowing" they're in love when they're 18-22 years old ... going out and getting married or having kids. That is (generally speaking) way to young and you're going to find down the road you don't really love that person (and look what you've gotten yourself into). That's a problem every side makes but I see many more young marriages in conservative areas and families.
Yeah. The problem in america is young married couples pumping out kids. That's the big problem with unwed teenage births..oh wait...
*shrug* its besides the point. My point was is that your typical over-simplistic view of things doesn't stand up.
The unwed teens (the liberals) are having abortions. The youngly-married (conservative) teens are pumping out the kids they can't take care of.
they are? is that why the unwed (liberals) birth rate is skyrocketing? cuz everyone is having abortions?
I said granted the situation wasn't abusive. That was the key element of my question...could you answer my first question, please...? Arguements are a part of life. There's a borderline when things go beyond expressing emotional differences and verbally harming one another...but technically a child should hear arguement...as long as it remains somewhat sane. They'll have to learn how to deal with differences in their future. Marriage is about effort and difference....and the comprimise of values. I'm not going to say that's THE 'problem', but I'm sure that's part of it. I just think the cultures more selfish. I see far too many people cheat on each other, and lie. It's kind-of disguisting to see that normally, but to see that in marriage...ehhh,... I don't get it.
Speaking of kids...my cousin is having her fourth child. She's half black and half white. I don't think she believes in condoms (I'm just assuming...), and she and her sister have never had an abortion. A lot of children for the both of them. I'm not sure they're super religious either.