When I lived in a USMC squad bay at Camp Upsher, Quantico with 50 plus other guys... we were not issued pajamas either... we all slept in the same military boxers he's sleeping in. We weren't being punished, that's just normal sleeping attire. Standing at attention in a pair of huge boxers is not the same as being "naked" as the article suggests. Everyone that's ever been to boot camp has stood at attention in boxers every time a sgt walked into the barracks. I initially assumed Whoever wrote the article just didn't have familiarity with the topic and thus drew incorrect conclusions, but according to his bio he's a Army Lt col, so he's just assuming his audience doesn't know better. The writers a twerp to do that... He knows better. Manhunts own quote makes it clear he was left with his boxers, so he has the same sleeping attire of every boot or officer candidate in the USMC. Taking the other clothes out of the room changes nothing in the respect of what he sleeps in.
Where does it say he's in his boxers? I've seen over 20 reports on this tonight and every one of them say he is naked.
Mannings quote at the bottom of the part you posted says it's absurd cause if they are doing it to keep him from killing himself he could still use the elastic in his underwear. For his own words to be correct then those remain when the rest are gone. Added: darned iPad keeps autocorrecting when I write his name. Not being cute... When you see a weird word in the middle of one of my posts you know the iPad has struck again.
Aah, that is wrong then, he is naked. Originally he may have been but for the last few days it has been totally naked. Read the story... it was that quip that made them strip him from then on...obviously he is right, he could use his boxers string to kill himself so let's get them off him!! - you know, the smart things people with power do...!
Yep, retracing the doc you're right... they did take it a step further and remove his boxers at night. Then again I do know sleeping au natural is something many people do in their own homes by choice, and he is in a single occupant cell. If he's unhappy about not having a choice in the matter he's probably gonna have a lot of heartbreak ahead, cause they finally got around to laying on a boatload of charges after investigation, and barring a miracle his actions that he's admitted to are going to mean he will be unlikely to be in a position of making all his own decisions pretty much indefinitely. Anyone that's spent any time in the military knows the penalties for what he did are going to be a life altering event if caught. Its just unfathomable to believe the guy thought sharing it online was going to be a great idea. To be brutally honest I attribute that thought process failure to a commonly shared screwup that's destroying our public education system here. Unlike when I was a kid, the current trend is all touchy-feely... nobody is responsible for their own actions, nobody gets punishment that makes an impression, etc. I truly think failing to hold children accountable comes back to haunt us bigtime when they're later expected to act like adults. The real world is NOT anything like the world they live in from kindergarten to high school graduation, then somehow they're supposed to adapt to reality we didn't prepare them for where employers DO call you an idiot and fire you if you can't compose a legible sentence or spell things correctly, where You don't get a prize just for showing up, where you are truly expected to live by your word or suffer real consequences. We're developing a generation of young adults that include far too many who never learned that actions have consequences. Manning provides a clear example of what can go wrong if kids are coddled too much. He still hasn't seemed to figure out that he made his own trouble by willfully disobeying military law and that mom can't go have a word with the principal and get him off the hook. I hope our educators are watching this case. Still, he's the example of the worst case scenario... But no military would last in battle with an entire army full of guys that think military law is optional cause mommy told em they're special and the teachers never held them accountable for anything.
I disagree. Today's kids are much smarter than we, albeit in a different sense. 30 years ago many adults had no idea how to set up the video recorder (that was always my job in my family) whereas there's not a kid in the western world who doesn't know how to use today's technology and what it was meant for. It's a totally different era. In the old days we built billy-carts but today we buy them at kmart. We don't teach the value of creating something from nothing, probably because it goes against capitalism and we're too busy trying to survive week to week let alone find time to build a bloody billy-cart. It's the old 'kids don't know how to add up' argument. even though calculators will be with us forever so do they really need to know that anyway? How many jobs make you add things up in your head? Today's kids have it a lot harder than we did, with an info overload they know all we did & more, and they have access to much more information than we ever did. You probably forget how naive and unhelpful you were when you first started work (as we all were). Kids today are smarter in a different way. For example I found a weird spider & was trying to find out what it was. I searched the web & books here thinking I discovered a new spider because I couldn't find it anywhere. Then whilst pointing out my youtube upload asking for help my 14yo nephew goes straight onto flicker & within 30 seconds had the exact info I wanted. He knew more than me and I'm supposed to be the tech-savvy web professional!! Not many of us are masters of the universe. Most people concentrate on one thing (ie plumbing or mechanics) and don't cross over. The plumber usually can't fix his car and vice-versa the mechanic can't do their plumbing. Most will learn a field and become proficient at that field and inefficient at everything else. It's been that way for a long time. Today's tech-savvy generation of kids are seeing what's happening to the harbingers of truth and people like Manning's cruel treatment at the hand of warmongers will only lead them to revolt. The parallels of one (domineering) country of so called good guys commiting worse atrocities than the so called bad guys etc. I believe you should expect a continuing closure of right-wing ideals as this uber-clever generation tears the walls down all over the world.
So your argument is that these kids are all so specialized that they can't fix their own cars, yet somehow or other they are going to lead a successful revolt against the "warmongers" who created their information filled world? I think you've got more than a few logic holes in that theory. I'll grant you this. Kids, and everyone else on the planet, has exponentially more information at their fingertips now than they did even 10 years ago. That doesn't make one of today's kids, or anyone else any smarter. It only makes them more informed, and only if they decide to take the time to inform themselves. As Rob pointed out, there are some things that are very difficult, if not near impossible to learn online. Personal responsibility for one's actions is a good example. If anything, web culture imparts to many people the idea that there are no consequences for ones actions. People like Manning may be a failure of our culture, but our culture will truly have failed when we no longer hold people like manning accountable for their actions. A few strong words for Manning's parents should have been handed out a long time ago when they could have done some good. @Rob: I just sat through the first parent meeting for my daughters soccer league. The coach went out of his way to let us know that they would not be keeping score at any of the official games during the season, meaning there would also be no team rankings or championship. This his how they run the AYSO soccer league for 5 year olds nowadays. Everybody gets an award for participation, and the coach is a unionized middle school teacher. I can't imagine how Canada's Ice Hockey players would be if this is how they ran their youth hockey. I got so pissed off I pulled her out and paid the extra cash to put her in a private league. The wife and I are now seriously considering moving to Texas, for this reason, and a million other little gems related to life in California.
No. I'm saying 'some' will be able to fix cars, if that's their vocation, and others will be able to create the revolution that will make changes to the system. As they get smarter they'll find a way to topple the bad guys. It only takes one bright spark & a few followers to change the world. Look at what whiz-kid Assange has done. And, at no stage did I say the warmongers created their info-filled world, they only find time to fight. I believe you will find it is the people not fighting are the ones creating the info-filled world. The changes have been made because the old ways are flawed. These ways might prove flawed too, but ya gotta try something new, especially if you're clued up on the flaws. That's the thing, we're trying to stamp out bullying but it seems the governments (& warmongers) world-wide haven't learnt that yet. If you're a bully, you're on the way out, and time will prove me right. Is it not now against the law to smack (spank) your own kid?
Kid? The guy is 40, hardly a kid. He's reasonable competition for Bernie Madoff(another old fart) when it comes to thinking of clever ways to create chaos and cost people their lives, though I have no clue why you would idealize that. Philosophically speaking, I completely disagree with your theory that highly specialized people are any smarter or better off. If anything, they are weaker and more vulnerable. They are the first to be culled out by natural selection in event of any radical shift in their surrounding environment. You ever see "The Edge" with Anthony Hopkins? LoL. This is based on... what? Your opinion? Now you are arguing that the ready access to information we experience today was not created by those who came before? I think you'd be shocked to see how many of the modern day marvels you take for granted came out of US military development. Its official. You've taken up crack smoking. Not sure where this particular topic shift came from but no, it is not illegal to spank your own kid. I believe it is that very type of thinking Rob was speaking to in his previous post.
Truth, Justice & the Australian way. And, like me, the majority of Australians fully support and encourage what Assange is doing in the name of truth. Read our polls. I knew you were young...if 40 is old to you...mind you I was talking about the things he did to get to where he is. That didn't start yesterday you whippersnapper. Good. If you agreed, I'd worry. Not that I said that, in fact read the post again and if anything, you will see I said the 'specialized' people will be good at their specialized subject and most likely shit at everything else. Whilst others will be specialist at getting to the truth. No, haven't seen 'The Edge'. I have no idea how you read between the lines and come up with what you do. I think you're very very strange and you do seem to get off on it. No. How about stick with what I say instead of putting your own twist on it, coz that's just ridiculous! I do understand what the military has given us, please don't mix NASA scientists with war. They are completely different things. It's not official at all, never touched the stuff. If changing the subject means I smoke crack then look at your last post smackhead! Smacking a child is against the law here and will be there too in a few years. You can bet on it.
Topic shifting again. Simple question. Does a 40 year old represent "today's kids"? Answer: No. We could argue all day long about how big of an asshat the guy is. You could continue vomiting out nonsense statements like your "polls show most Australians support him" when we both know your only evidence of that is non-scientific online polls from leftist rags. So on topic, no, Assange is not a kid and does not represent today's children, so the whole discussion is a derail. No, you made the argument that today's kids are smarter, and one of your presented reasons was because they are more specialized(also debatable.... most are more ... unemployed). Oh, and regarding Assange being better at "getting at the truth", espionage has been around long, long,long before Assange was around. You just idolize him because he is of your time, and from your country, supporting your particular ideology. He represents your particular brand of sh*t. Good for you I say. Don't mind me as I point out over and over that your particular brand of sh*t is, in fact, still sh*t. LoL. Couple things. 1) Most adults don't use the word "Coz". 2) I appreciate that you have taken into consideration NASA's military roots and scientific contributions to the planet. 3) Speaking specifically to the information filled environment we live in today, it came directly from the US Military (no, not NASA). While I can appreciate you probably think Al Gore invented the internet, or some nonsense like that, the educated kids today are aware of, and thankful for the "War Mongers" who helped create our information filled world, Gee. Never met a guy so confused about the facts, especially when it comes to the laws in his own country. News flash: Spanking is legal in Australia Next you'll be claiming the government can tell me I can't spank my wife. Why is it Liberals are so in favor of government intrusion in the lives of their citizens and loss of liberty? I was fascinated to watch several liberals on TV calling for US military intervention in Lybia. No wonder people spit the word out as an insult in the states. Seriously, they are trying to re-brand themselves "progressives" because the word "liberal" has such a negative connotation.
Manning is following his conscious as is the case for any and all patriots. The conditions of his confinement only serve to reinforce the reality that it was the previous Administration and the US Military that went to war in Iraqi and the Principals of the Nation were then and are now the casualties of their policies. As with Ellsberg, the gov'ts case is of their own making. The Obama Administration is making a serious mistake in not distancing itself from the propaganda of an unjust war and the justice in exposing the futility in the wars administration.
That's the first statement from you that makes me wonder. You may actually be Muslim! BTW folks, I just put up a video at my site (in sig) if you REALLY wanna see what I look (& sound) like.
Good show Bushranger, my partner is KARAOKE all day long.....not for Bars though is what I say for her.
LoL cool. It's a lot of fun and even better if you have a reasonable voice. Show me a singer and I will show you a NICE person inside. Your partner must be a nice person too. I do the Bars, sometimes. We have a local Chinese food shop / karaoke bar and that's a lot of fun after dinner.
Designed by "non-fighters" for the army. I get it, you are saying the fighters steal the treasure so they can afford to pay the people who think, to build their stuff. If I remember right (a task at my age ) computers were first invented (well before ENIAC) to work out your census. To count the people was taking longer than the time between censuses so they needed a way to do it faster. In came the first computer. ENIAC came well after that, which, as I have established, was only 'paid for' by the military. As for it being "legal" to smack a kid here. I personally know about three people who got arrested after hitting their kid at the supermarket. If it's not illegal why would you get taken back to a police station?
Did you really think I was making the argument that tank commanders and navy seals assembled the internet? Do you really believe the US military funds itself by plundering other nations? Do you think the 30% of our US tax dollars that go to the military are spent on cocaine and hookers instead? Don't you find it a bit futile arguing with the history books, trying to diminish the obvious truth that is staring you in the face? Eniac and Arpanet are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to military funded projects that enhanced the private sector, specifically in the field of information technology. GPS, a DOD created project, is still changing the way people live their lives in every country today. More gift's from the "war mongers" and their benevolent benefactors, the US taxpayers. Have you ever had the desire to kill your own parents? It would fit your philosophy on such things. Now you are arguing with the black and white print which clearly states that spanking your child in Australia is legal. Did you have something besides an anecdotal story of questionable veracity? Some people are vehemently opposed to spanking, and it seems there are people willing to insert themselves into the affairs of others in every part of the globe. Obviously there is a line between child abuse and spanking your child, though if you are make charges, you better be sure the person you are charging doesn't keep flesh eating attorneys on retainer(yes some attorneys actually feed on human flesh). I have no idea what the details were of your anecdotal story, but I'm quite sure the applicable Australian law is readily available to you on the internet. I'd rather you read it yourself, than asking me to read it to you.