Is radical Islam and terrorism the result of US foreign policy?

The point I was trying to make was, who cares if you've met some sadist, or in the case of John Travolta, some gay lunatic. Would going down on Kadaffi make you some sort of authority on his terrorist activities?

In other words. You would not accept any source that 90% of the rest of the world would find acceptable. Good to know.

Unlike you, I actually got you evidence from what most would consider the most legitimate sources of such evidence, not some conspiracy theory lunatic writing about what maybe could have happened.

I find it comic to watch you deny substantial evidence with ad-homs like, "Its a terrorist newspaper" or "He's lying to save his ass"(as if throwing the US a bone will save his ass from his own people). You have truly lived up to the accusation you made against me, that no amount of evidence would be sufficient.

I won't bother throwing in the litany of other evidence that Kadaffi was engaged in terrorist activites, since such evidence would be wasted on you, so I'll leave you with something I know you would much rather believe (which also so-happens to be true). If Ronald Reagan took the time to drop a few bombs on your house, there is a good chance you were a terrorist (or at least an assh*le who deserved it).

 

UN definition of terrorism:
"Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them."

your government orders 100.000-s of bombs to be dropped on other countries ergo you are a terrorist state...

and YES throwing the US a bone WILL save his ass ...quit pretending you bomb droppers are in some sort of obligation towards the people of lybia whom you have kept under sanctions for decades upon decades...short from directly taking a piss on them i think there is little you have not done to them...to claim that you are in some way obliged towards their legal system is hilarious...hahahahaahahah...

**i like how you hand on to your little straw of evidence LOOOL***

yes it seems perfectly reasonable LOOL the justice minister grew a conscience and just happened to fess up just at the time you needed AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

WHAT EVIDENCE? justice minister grew a conscience? LOL

oh if john wayne and ronald regan decide to bomb you you probably deserve it? well if arabs drop bombs on you you also are probably assholes and deserve it...you see nobody would bother taking you on for no good reason...especially when the ones attacking are weak and poor they MUST have a reason eh?

 

Wow. All in one post. Do you realize how deranged that looks? Just curious.

Amazed that you suddenly seem to think the 1986 strike on Gaddaffi is an issue, or that it was done without cause. In 2008 Libya came back and started paying reparations for the various terrorist activities they'd sponsored/executed which were the basis for that strike. Maybe you missed that announcement.

Gaddaffi's own citizens are about to toss him out. It isn't something we are doing, he just isn't liked by his own people and apparently for good reason. I hope they choose a better replacement, but either way I doubt the world's gonna miss his dubious humanitarian leadership.

Oddly, this isn't the first notorious butcher you've sided with... you still seem to think attempting to commit genocide on Muslim Croats was an activity that shouldn't have been interrupted... but good grief, do you really hate the US enough to assume that Gaddaffi is some kinda good guy just because we bombed his butt? Lacks logic.

 

Only marginally sane, if that.

 

I recently had a 1 month ban, I used the time very well and have finally seen light! I took a flight to Mexico and from there crossed the border to US. I made my way to Texas and met this eccentric cowboy who spoke in a thick drawl, with this guidance I was able to see the logic staring me in my face all these years.

I'm a right-winger now!

Now back to the topic at hand, people of Egypt were terrorists/mob/lunatics for trying to remove their dictator and fight for the right of self-determination. Just like my right wing friends:

But people doing same stuff in Libya are so beautiful and they are fighting for democracy! The fact that Mubarak was pro-US and Gaddafi is anti-US has no bearing on my opinions...just like my republican friends

 

Welcome back Helvetii, i'm sure we ALL missed ya. I think even DP will welcome some income from P&R again. It's been slow...

Sounds like you did have a good holiday.

 

Surprsingly 3 days ago you said you and your other freinds or anyone have never faced any kind of discrimination in the past or present.

Why would i be angry. You are on the minority side trying to prove USA is a good country and does nothing wrong where most people are not in agreement with you. Here is another fact implying USA's intention.

Here is what N-deal had to offer.

http://www.cfr.org/india/us-india-nuclear-deal/p9663

For the nuclear power USA asks India never to do research on nuclear weapons. Why would they want that. Because they don't want us to be a superpower.

Same things happened years ago when we disocvered the nuclear power to a great extent and USA said that only he and some other countries have the authority to use it only and if we use it then they will stop helping us. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB6/index.html

Here is why USA attacked iraq. There was nothing fishy going on in that country. Its clear. UN sent its officials there to investingate and found not a SINGLE thing http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

More links : http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41643


As of now China has its economy exploding and USA finds that uneasy too.

It always intervenes and even sometimes use wrong ways like supporting terrorists for his profit, not to forget that terrorist groups were initiated by USA for attack on USSR in the past.

Here is the lst of his history of interventions. http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

 

Again, you've completely misunderstood my position. I've never claimed the US never does anything wrong. Many many many many times on this forum I've rattled on about various questionable to outright evil things in our past.

Just because we have had a few issues does not make your claim that US Muslims are having their mouths urinated into any more true. That claim, like most of the rest of your claims, is as factless today as it was when you first made it.

Also, when you take the myriad of legitimate claims you could have made about the US, and compare them to your situation in India, we still come out smelling like a rose in the places where things are comparable (Racial discrimination etc).

Regarding the rest of your post which tries to change the topic to non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, perhaps you should start another thread so we can discuss those topics on their own merits. In the meantime, I'll take your topic switch as an indication you have nothing more to say to back any of the previous ridiculous claims you made.

 

It looks like i have won the battle. Now you are saying that you never said USA does nothing bad. And that muslims discrimination and mouth urinating was another injustice story i picked up. If this was the sole issue i won't have bothered to argue and now when i showed some more PROOF about USA's bad side and you not only accept my arguements but also started another about India. India is another story my freind. The population here is much more than mammoth. Executing things here on everyone becomes difficult. We can't modify the poor in a year or even decade. And the discrimination here is between rich and poor MOSTLY. Here there are a number of factors that govern our illeteracy and corruption but not in your case. Most of the evil is done by your govt.

Anyway thanks for admiting i was right.

 

If by picked up you mean made up, then yes, we can agree. Still waiting for the documentation on that.

It wasn't my goal to topic switch by mentioning India's regular practice of evil. I only brought it up to put your accusations against the US in perspective. I also appreciate you bringing up mitigating factors(the size of your population) that would affect a straight across comparison. For the record, "Executing things on everyone", or full enforcement of the laws requires money, something else India is lacking in, on a per-capita basis.

When/if you are ever in our shoes, dealing with the same set of problems we are dealing with, I would hope your performance would be better, but I highly doubt it for a long list of reasons I won't go into here.

 

I told you that it was just one topic i picked up and the story had a great buzz and the torture was high class and urinating thing was prominent. Don't stick to that.

India is not lacking only in money. There are many things. I would be lying if i said that i do not consider India a relatively backward nation. Our constitution has been moulded by our politicians in such a way that they always remain in power whether they are in the throne or not. People like me who can make India better by joining politics do not enter this arena because politicians here are more than crimnals and entering is risky. India will take a long time to see some apprecialble change as the situation is quite complex. USA situation is not COMPLEX. Supporting terrorism or anything would not have been a result of some complex situation as it would have been the case of India. In short USA has done evil with full conscious and with the full knowing of your govt. It was not that some of your govt people thought to attack iraq somehow and others refused but majority won or something. Another intresting article for you. http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/US-Peaceful-Nation.htm

 

LoL. Tell you what. If I tell a story about you molesting small children because such a story would create great buzz, I'm sure you won't mind me asking you not to stick to that even though I would fail to provide even a single piece of supporting evidence. Don't make stupid claims and accusations if you don't have the evidence to back them up. I'll back off the issue when you do one of two things. 1) Produce evidence to support the claim. 2) Admit the claim is completely lacking in evidence.

Not complex. Thanks man. Now I have to clean coffee out of my keyboard. I'm not sure where you get the sack to beg for leniency and consideration of your country's population size in viewing the many problems of it's people and it's government, while in the same breath trying to frame the US govt up as something simple and evil. Its a wonderful demonstration of the type of thinking that promotes ethnic hatred, something quite common in India.

If you really think your little blog entry demonstrates the totality and simplicity of the issues sitting behind a century of US foreign policy decisions, you need to have your head examined. Do you seriously use these types of blogs as your sole source of information? Have you ever considered that history is multi-faceted and complex, or that authors of such blogs come at things from a distinctive and biased viewpoint? When you read things like this, do you ever bother to do more research to get a more well rounded view of the very complex issues at hand(educate yourself)?

You might want to start with improving the quantity and quality of your sources of information, or you are going to remain ignorant your entire life.

Maybe I should start posting articles like this one as if they represent the totality of the situation in India:

 

Temper temper.

Refresh my memory. Where was your link showing first hand accounts of Muslims having their mouths urinated in here in the USA?

No, you said the evil done in India was the result of complexities arising from a large population, where as the evil you claim the US govt. does is simple and fundamentally evil. In other words, we have an excuse for our blatant and well documented racism, but the US govt. has no excuse for taking a side on complex issues where no side is squeaky clean.

No, I'm asking you to present something new and credible to back your mouth pissing claim.

Or what? Seems that last article about India's pride in it's racism has struck a nerve with you. The truth usually does. I can't help but wonder if Helvetii would look down on you as one of those dark skinned, funny accented, backward, southern Indians.

Wanna buy my siggy link?

 

I am not going to waste time on a moron like you. Tell me when you are going to stop asking me for mouth pissing thing. We will continue then and do you think that article struck a nerve. You have no idea about me or this world. I won't be angry for such small things

As for the mouth pissing thing remmeber that you are not safe there. It is a fact that if you were 3 miles around the WTC when it got exploded you could have been brutually tortured. The fact that a cop can come into your house and arrest you for the most stupid reason. The facts that your son/daughter are vulnerable to beating/molestation.




So ponder on these things and never talk about Racism in USA. I don't mind that much. I told you that USA was a violent and evil nation in the first place but you always liked to talk about this topic. Go and post crap on a dedicated P&R forum not on a webmaster forum.

 

Too late, on every count.

More fantasy! Wheee!!! Do you have any idea of the average income of the people living within 3 miles of the WTC? Now you are claiming the police were kidnapping and molesting the sons and daughters of millionaires! You should start your own blog!

More instructions I need to follow. No thanks. You like to talk about fantasy, I like to talk about facts. Can I be blamed if the facts I like to talk about involve the racist nature of your culture?

 

Easy Lax. He caught you passing on as "fact" something that clearly you couldn't verify.

The answer isn't to get all huffy at him for pointing it out, the answer is not to do it.

 

Is radical Islam and terrorism the result of US foreign policy?

Dont be daft, its a case of the patients running the asylum and cast iron proof that care in the community does not work.

lock them back up in the mental hospitals

 

For the moment i won't be arguing about was i right or wrong etc because when i post some proofs you say these are the only things that i use to construct my perception. When i told you about the risk around the WTC you elevate my post and say that i am saying millionares are arrested etc. so its really not worth arguing with you but just take a look at your last link on India and mine about USA. The link i gave was from a native USA offiacial and yours was a person who wrote after going in a Indian disco or something. Do you think i make perceptions from just 1 link only. ( Stupid boy )

Who is the guy in your avatar. Is he your bf. ( Gay boy )

 

LoL.

I'm no expert in the activities of idiots, but If I had to guess, I'd say some idiot will post pictures of Abu Ghraib in Iraq, in a feeble attempt to change the topic from the outrageously false claim about urination in the mouths of Muslims in the US. I can imagine that some other idiot might then chime in, thanking the aforementioned idiot for providing proof of urination in the mouths of Muslims in the US, as if Abu Ghraib has anything to do with the treatment of Muslims in the US. Lets see how accurate my predictions turn out to be .

No, I just pointed out you made yet another claim without any evidence. I also pointed out that most people living within a few miles of the WTC have very high net worth's, making your claim even more ridiculous.

Not unless you are masochistic.

So now you are saying claims of prevalent racism in India are false because I presented a blog written by a foreigner living in India? Perhaps I should ask one of your Dalits. Better yet, we can ask Helvetii. My money says his skin is pretty light. Amiright Helvetii?

So lets see, in the last few posts you've called me a f*cking asshole, an idiot, a stupid boy, and a gay boy. They say insults are the last refuge of the ignorant, so I'll take that all as a compliment.

 

Ummm, Lax? Have you read the sign over the door? At 1 point per infraction you might wanna take it down a notch. Just a thought.