Is radical Islam and terrorism the result of US foreign policy?

This was why i said that i had provided a webpage link and you said its not reliable before you say that i did not get an evidence and make a mockery out of that. Read it again.

Open another browser and go to wikileaks.com or just do a plane google search of USA intervention policy.

I agree again.

 

I hear you man. I've got books and movies that talk about the far off planet of Naboo in the Chommell Sector. They speak of the great leader Jar Jar Binks of the Gungan people. I'm taking up a collection to help save the Gungan's from the evil machinations of the Empire. Care to donate?

You might also be interested in the workings of Xenu. For the right price, I'm sure we can rid you of your body thetans.

Just because some jackass can write a blog does not make it credible. You and ATVKing have a hard time with that, I know, which is why I'm offering my services to rid you of your body thetans(for a price).

Why ask people to hunt for the evidence to back your claims. If your claims were legit, you'd provide your own evidence.

 

This is what you do when i say something correct and hit a nerve. Tell me what do you want that can be termed as potential evidence.

I did and you said its not worthy, i can give you more and you will say that they are not reliable.

 

Keep em comin. I can hand you quite literally thousands of sites discussing big foot and Elvis sightings.

Do you have the first clue as to what would make your evidence credible?

 

There has been quite a lot of discussions for me posting proof. You reject them. You show me your arguement.

 

I presented my argument for rejecting your blogs in the posts where I rejected them. Go back and read them.

As an example, you make the claim about people urinating into the mouths of Muslims in the US. One would think you would present the first hand story of at least one US Muslim who has made this claim, or perhaps the story of a first hand witness to such an event. That would be a starting point. After that, you would then provide some corroborating evidence, such as a second witness who saw it with their own eyes. You would then hear the opposing side of the story(every story has two sides you know). You would then weigh in the credibility of all parties concerned, and make an informed decision.

You have failed to complete even the first step in this process. You might as well be claiming aliens landed in the mountains outside your city.

 

again nothing one could present would be considered "legit" by you so whats the point? even if 100 witnesses were there you would say "anybody can write a blog" ....the 100.000s of bombs the USA unloads and the rest of your "foreign policy" has nothing to do with it at all LOL what a fool one must be to actually believe this....

the US governments love for the truth is easy to spot with the wikileaks website he will be extradited for espionage or whatnot and thats what you get for telling the truth...

proof LOL..."wedidit.us.gov" LOL

 

I'm sure we can find a way to blame the US for this:

And from the comments of the same article:

Qadaffi sucks.... now look at the alternatives.

 

its the same scenario wherever you go...the USA and its UN butt puppet impose economic sanctions and political repression against a whole country for decades and decades, this silences the moderates and democrats and gives power to the radicals...

then after decades of US "foreign policy" and millions of destroyed lives later, the whole country melts down to shit and the US gov. goes "there look: they are all savages its time to bomb and invade and pretend were not killing anybody"

 

See, I told you there would be a way to blame the US for this. Good job man.

I suppose you would of had us send him a nice flower arrangement for the 1986 Berlin Discotheque bombing, the 1989 UTA FLight 772 bombing, and the Lockerbie bombing(which it has now been made clear Qadaffi ordered). This guy was exporting state sponsored terror long before it was cool.

Oh, we killed some people. In 1986, when we had a president with a set, we sent in a sortie of 18 f-111s and bombed the living crap out of the presidential compound and nearby military installations. We took out 45 soldiers and officials, 5 IL-76 transports, 14 Mig-23s, 2 Helicopters, and we damn near got Qadaffi himself.

Perhaps the argument you are making is that, had we killed Qadaffi, or better still, invaded Lybia on the spot, the sanctions would have been unnecessary, and the Lybian people would be better off. I can't say I disagree. Perhaps Lybia is a case study in the failure of UN diplomacy and the ultimate argument in favor of Bush doctrine. That same president(Reagan) sent a team of seals to remove Manuel Noriega from the President's house in Panama, and look how nice that place is now!

Unfortunately, at the time, when the planet got together and decided you are an assh*le, sanctions were the prescription of the day, with bombs waiting in the wings. Its a concept I know you are familiar with.

 

So in short you don't consider those links legit as

1. There are many other crazy things that people believe in like aliens etc. But in that case there are very few people who actually follow and accept those things. There are many people who buy this fact about USA.

2. What you are saying that should be considered as evidence will actually be much more than evidence. What you literally want as proof is a leaked video of BUSH laughing like a madman saying " We will remain superpowers by misusing our power and with the help of UN which is in our pocket"

3. So if you have understood the fact clearly that your proof is difficult to find then we can come to conclusion that with the help of some FACTS we will be able to draw a conclusion about USA's character. So here is my word, i will post a thread here posting all the facts about USA that will prove my point. So read this post and ask me if you haven't understood anything rather than repeating the same thing that this is not proof and the link is not reliable etc.

 

Argumentum ad populum, and without any real evidence to back the popularity of your claim. If you have a scientifically conducted poll showing that most people world wide think US Muslims are being urinated on, present that poll!!

Now you are changing the topic to US and UN collusion? Stick with one topic, or we are going to go nowhere. You made the claim US Muslims have been urinated on(in their mouths more specifically). So far, all we have as evidence is you making the claim. Why is it you cant even present a SINGLE example of this? Thats hardly a request for a video. Its a request for a single first hand story. If I make the claim you have buggered your pet cat, I would think you would want me to present some evidence. Perhaps you wouldn't.

You are going to post a poll on DP P&R and try and use that as evidence? LMAO. Are you over 18?

 

Very good. So now you are saying that people believing in Aliens eating humans etc are more than those who think USA misused there power. You keep modifying your stupidity after every post.

I am not changing the topic and do not stick to mouth urinating. It was just a single thing that came to my mind. And that abuse was on the peak after 9/11. You want a video. You think i have a video of this thing. Anyway here is something close to evidence. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/948...ality-american-muslims-us-muslims-science.htm

Some more links i found after a 5 min search. ( Don't bash back that these links are a little different )

http://www.merinews.com/article/racial-profiling-of-muslims-after-911-is-wrong/15804119.shtml
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2009/0911/p02s19-usgn.html
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/news-analysis/a-13-Muslims2006-09-10-voa17.html

Do you understand english. I wrote Facts in block letters. I will show facts of everything negative thing about USA and how it misuses its power.

 

you know i had dinner with ghadaffi? no seriously i was only 5 years old my father was with some non aligned mission and to cut the story short i ended up in a big room with like 200-300 people i met and spoke to ghadaffi LOL not making this up all non aligned countries were big friends back in the day...

CAN YOU SHOW ME PROOF GHADAFFI HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SUPPORTING TERROR?

its so easy to be obamanation LOL bet you cant come up with any real proof other than "we say so" LOOOL

yes the millions upon millions of people you oppress with your sanctions and keep hostage to your cowboy politics know all too well what your country is all about...the world is yours for the bombing LOL and you have the audacity to call other people terrorists and evil LOL...

go drop a bomb you american LOL...

 

Possibly worth reminding any Muslims reading this thread that the reason atvking hates the US has nothing to do with your issues... It's because our government interrupted his in the process of a little "ethnic cleansing" they wanted to finish up, and their intended targets were Muslims.

That ought make you think before accepting his rhetoric at face value. There are some seriously big mass graves full of Muslims that died with their hands bound behind their backs in his neck of the woods that kinda make his bitter fingerpointing about the US seem silly.

The biggest error the US and the UN made in that case was "butting in" too late to stop it earlier. I don't pretend our government always gets it right, but compared to the thugs he wishes had won... Well, let's just say Muslims here are NOT rounded up and slaughtered. In the former Yugoslavia, that's what we had to step in and stop. Ask atvking how he feels about that. His past statements indicate the US shouldve minded it's own business and left them alone.

 

Congrats! You got any personal hook ups with Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler, or Baby Doc Duvalier you care to brag about?

Not to use your own quote against you, but I could dump a mountain of legitimate evidence on your doorstep and you will still deny. Lets start with the most recent.

Kadaffi's justice minister has evidence Kadaffi directly ordered the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie Scottland

You are apparently lacking the part of the brain that causes feelings of embarrassment. Funny stuff.

you apparently did not understand my post. Not sure how to word it much clearer, but that is absolutely not what I said.

Good. Present some evidence. Any evidence.

And what is this evidence of? That discrimination against Muslims has gone up in the US since 9-11? Well duh. Of course it has, and I'm not saying thats a good thing. I would bet you one thing for sure. As a Muslim living in the US post 9-11, I experience a lot less discrimination on a daily basis than one of your Dalits.

Listen pal, I can see your blood pressure rising out of embarrassment as your arguments fall flat, and I realize you didn't start out with a high level of anti-american angst. You shouldn't let your inability to present a coherent, factual, well rounded argument lead you to anti-american ethnic slurs. It doesn't lead anywhere good. Ask Helvetii.

 

Terrorism and radical (Any religion) are basically the result of a group of individuals' thirst for power, glory, revenge, recognition or what have you. Even if there was no USA, radical religions and terrorism would still exist (Their magnitude is a matter of speculation).

 

@robjones

i have a muslim surname...also dont pretend that you know about anything else than shoveling manure...i bet you have never been out of texas in your whole life? LOL...its SO amusing watching you trying to come off as if you are "in the know" about what actually happened in my former country...you are always good for a laugh

@obamanation

well i met prescott bush jr (brother of GHW bush), simon wisenthal (the nazi hunter), simon moskovics (my idol...owner of, then, the largest private bank in the world) thaskin shinawatra (he is now a fellow montenegran LOL), queen elizabeth the 2nd, sylvester stallone and i spoke to jhon travolta while buying a sacher cake in this famous hotel in austria...not bad for a yugo boy eh?...also some saudi prince dont remember who he had many many names lol...

as for your "proof"...first off its from a terrorist newspaper...the US army is the biggest bomb dropper in the world so you are also the biggest terrorist in the world...your newspaper is biased...

second...lybias former justice minister LOL...he does NOT have a video where ghadaffi says "bomb that plane, kill civilians" ...no ...he has HERESAY...he SAYS ghadaffi gave the order...now could it be that he is just saying what you want him to say so that he can get immunity for his OWN crimes? seriously obamanation you have to accept that his "testimony" is a BIT questionable?

i mean he was minister of justice for how many years? LOL...all this time he kept quiet but now, all of a sudden, his conscience does not allow him to keep quiet any more? LOL... hes a fat son of a bitch who ran to save his own ass and sang like an opera queen what ever your bomb dropper politicians told him to say...before this he was probably so deep up ghadaffis ass that you would need to send a submarine to find him...face it your proof is kinda weak eh?

 

Wrong again, secret Serb.