Shame of Britain's Muslim schools: Secret filming shows ...

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    Shame of Britain's Muslim schools: Secret filming shows pupils being beaten and 'taught Hindus drink cow p***'


    By Tazeen Ahmad
    Last updated at 12:16 PM on 13th February 2011

    • Undercover footage shows pupils being taught religious apartheid
    • Muslims who adopt Western ways will be 'tortured in afterlife'
    • Unprovoked beatings captured on camera in Yorkshire madrassa
    • Boy threatened with bench by senior student left in charge of class

    It is an assembly hall of the sort found in any ordinary school. Boys aged 11 and upwards sit cross-legged on the floor in straight rows. They face the front of the room and listen carefully. But this is no ordinary assembly. Holding the children’s attention is a man in Islamic dress wearing a skullcap and stroking his long dark beard as he talks.

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    Secretly filmed footage from the Markazi Jamia mosque shows a teacher pulling a pupil towards him and striking him on the back

    ‘You’re not like the non-Muslims out there,’ the teacher says, gesturing towards the window. ‘All that evil you see in the streets, people not wearing the hijab properly, people smoking . . . you should hate it, you should hate walking down that street.’

    He refers to the ‘non-Muslims’ as the ‘Kuffar’, an often derogatory term that means disbeliever or infidel.

    Welcome to one of Britain’s most influential Islamic faith schools, one of at least 2,000 such schools in Britain, some full-time, others part-time. They represent a growing, parallel education system.

    The school is the Darul Uloom Islamic High School in Birmingham, an oversubscribed independent secondary school. Darul Ulooms are world-renowned Islamic institutions and their aim is to produce the next generation of Muslim leaders. In fact, these schools have been described as the ‘Etons of Islam’.

    This school is required by its inspectors to teach tolerance and respect for other faiths. But the Channel 4 current affairs programme Dispatches filmed secretly inside it – and instead discovered that Muslim children are being taught religious apartheid and social segregation.

    We recorded a number of speakers giving deeply disturbing talks about Jews, Christians and atheists.

    We found children as young as 11 learning that Hindus have ‘no intellect’ and that they ‘drink cow p***’.

    And we came across pupils being told that the ‘disbelievers’ are ‘the worst creatures’ and that Muslims who adopt supposedly non-Muslim ways, such as shaving, dancing, listening to music and – in the case of women – removing their headscarves, would be tortured with a forked iron rod in the afterlife.

    In 2009 this school was praised by Government-approved inspection teams for its interfaith teachings. The report said that ‘pupils learn about the beliefs and practices of other faiths and are taught to show respect to other world religions’.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ilming-shows-pupils-beaten.html#ixzz1DrDSdEuC


     
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    what's going on in England!!? why such primitive people moved there?
    someone should ask them leave that country if they can't walk in streets and accept their values.
    I can't understand condition there.
     
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    Yes, its quite outrageous...they're inflicting their primitive medieval thoughts on young minds and breeding potential terrorists...many living on state benefits. Sometimes I think there is a rationale for BNP to exist
     
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    It's disturbing when children are taught to hate and trained to be intolerant. Kids are blank slates on which we can write a more promising future or a bleaker one. Imagine how well they'd get along with others when they grow up if they weren't corrupted by the prejudices and hatreds of the generation that precedes them.
     
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    I would like to add that not every muslim thinks and acts like those nuts in the article do. Their actions indeed speak of their ignorance and narrow-mindedness. Shame on such zealots. I'm a born Hindu (more of an agnostic though!) and have got so many Muslim and Christian friends. I'm in my final semester of under graduation, but there never arised any case among us which questioned our faiths. Past 3 1/2 years we gracefully celebrated Christmas, Diwali and Id together.. and appreciated each others culture and religion.

    The DP forum is indeed very large, a true metropolitan forum which houses netizens belonging to several nations (rich + poor), races, religions, ethnic groups and culture. Definitely, the OP has with good intentions, posted (copy-pasted?) the article to bring to the notice of the board members, the narrow mindedness of such school systems and to acknowledge the sad consequences on the future of the children. But may I ask the OP, have you got any down-to-earth solutions that are capable of reforming their Education system? Kindly post them, if any. It will give more meaning to the discussion. I say this, because, my observation says, many such threads have created more of a feeling like disgust, inferiority, hatredness, and so.. that are evident from the posts to/that will follow.

    I wonder, there might be some people who will definitely come up to conclusions so easily based on events such as in this article. Like, just saying, If Osama started a war, then the(all) Muslims are evil. If Bush does the same, the other sections conclude that the (all) Americans are the bad guys. So, are the (all)Asians, the (all)Chinese and the (all) Iranians.... and so on. Its so funny when I read them...

    In my opinion, I feel there's so much to learn. The religions, the cultures, the people, languages... all are indeed very beautiful, aren't they? There are anti social elements everywhere, but instead making far fetching claims, discussions and conclusions or whine about them, can we make sure those people affected really get justice, can we really do something that can reform their attitudes? If it doesn't, I request you guys to post something which isn't as controversial as this or several such other threads. I'm looking forward to more love, harmony and peace. Kindly post articles of such kind, if anyone finds.. and let others also get a chance to ease their mind a bit and appreciate humanity.

    Peace.
     
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    You are of course right, there is much to learn, but this school is clearly in need of Auditing.

    There has to be a standard for these schools to live up to and if they dont live up to it, then they should be closed. Those that do live up to the Auditing should stay open and allow teaching of the Koran in a way that all find it acceptable (including those learning).

    But who should Audit them and what standards should they live up to? Religion is always a hard thing to debate, but striking a child like this in front of classmate, humiliating him in a country where smacking a child is not even legal is clearly not acceptable regardless of the teachings.
     
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    Very true indeed. I very well appreciate your opinions.
     
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    @EthicalGeek: I agree with much of your post, especially the part about posting solutions.

    Watching the news, I see that the President of France and the Prime Minister of England have both spoke out against Multi-culturalism recently. I think most citizens of America, Britain, and France(Including most of the Muslims) would probably agree that, if your culture involves teaching young children ethnicly based hatred and violence, you would be better off staying where you came from. Furthermore, if you are already here and get caught doing the same, you should have your visa revoked.

    For the ones that can't be deported, there are no easy answers. Are we really going to abolish religious schools? Abolish all religion? Criminalize more speech? It seems ridicule and outrage are amongst the few permissible remedies available. The more Muslims who join the ranks of the outraged, the less people will be able to paint all Muslims with the same brush.
     
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    yeah right and fair. anybody should live somewhere which is comfortable for her/him. surely for who loves western living style, life in south Waziristan (Pakistani reagion near Afghanistan) is nightmare, hence it must be vice versa. if my mentality accept madras's then how could I live in England. Deport them from England should be a gift for them.

    I still think something is wrong there. in most of middle eastern countries we haven't such percent of religious people with such primitive mentality like England!
     
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    @Sar420 @Mike224 @Ethical Geek @robjones & even @Obamanation - well said, turned it into a good thread. I feel the love. :)

    @babak44 - Not so sure on stereotyping UK as primitive. I have seen similar reports of that here as I would guess the US would as well. I think it probably stands out more in UK as the BNP is actively looking for all of these things and making sure they get reported on? - I may be wrong and you may be right but we do get reports of Islamic schools teaching hatred all over the world, not just UK.
     
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    yeah Islamist make more news and problem in UK. didn't see same in USA, even don't know if they have same madras's there.
     
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    We have madrassas but no where near the problem with Islamists/demand for Sharia. The biggest story of recent was that of a few uneducated Somali cab drivers in Minnesota asking the state to be able to refuse service to customers not complying with Sharia. Send em back to lovely Somalia I say.

    Still, no comparison to London:
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    I quite agree. Its not like I do not have Muslim friends...have quite a few in fact. Thankfully all of them have had decent education and apparently a non-prejudicial upbringing at home.

    Solutions, yes. Not down-to-earth though. I agree with Obamanation, ridicule and outrage are the best possible solutions in this regard:


    Not a bad idea. I'm sure there have been such threads here at DP...though lesser than the ones that depict bigotry, cruelty and crime. I guess thats because negative news is what we see more in the news media.
     
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    Here's simpler solution far simpler then your half eudaimonic thoughts . Video monitoring for all religion based private schools . You do something stupid and your school is banned , the school network is banned , the personnel is banned and all children in that school/network of school MUST attend public schools . Also all ppl that teach something to students that are under uni degree must take pedagogy classes and take a wacko test . Simple and effective , also ALL and ALL classes except foreign language must be held in the official language .

    Problem solved :eek:
     
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    Oh sure, make me look up a word. For those playing along at home...

     
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    That is a terrific word! Good job Apoc. Now who is going to forward it to that ignorant pf*ck O'Reilly so he can use it to make himself sound a bit smarter.

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    Wow.. Really down-to-earth! I could only wish if it were that easy to implement radical changes into a society without much resistance.

    EDIT: Just looked upon the word 'Eudaimonic'.. English isn't my primary language you see. Anyways.... I take that as a compliment. My eudaimonic thoughts. Thanks :D
     
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    Don't stress too much, English IS my primary language and I have never heard it before - thanks robjones for finding us the meaning.
     
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    Video monitoring might be a bit much for a few parents but the rest is just regulation . You don't even have to issue a law to implement it and society doesn't care to much about religion based private schools.
     
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    I was actually referring to this part of your post when I said, it was really down-to-earth...

    Video monitoring is quite common these days.

    What? Is that a fact or you just made up your own?
     
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