God will forgive anything except becoming a non-Muslim.

yeah you are right as same as some of your posts in this thread. I admire your knowing about Islam. seriously.

according to Shria law Father is blood owner of his children and if a guy killed any of them, their father can forgive them with or without getting their blood-money.
in the case of honor killing a father can command any of his family member (mostly his son) to kill his daughter and in Islamic court present and forgive that guy. then that guy will be freed. good way to wipe shame on the family!

 

Right. Its a cultural thing done by people of certain cultures, including those living under Sharia.

Right. You have blasphemers who kill Muslims Allah has forgiven, in some cases for things they consider crimes which Allah does not. Babak mentioned a few of these non-crimes:

Of course this conflicts with your argument that lying to conceal a sin is forbidden, but as you mentioned, you are encouraged to lie to conceal shame. Sharia is the biggest lie and shame ever perpetrated on Muslims.

Unlike you, I won't go so far as to call those living under Sharia non-Muslim. I'd say they fall into 3 categories. The misguided, the hostages, and the non-Muslims who rule.

 

Not including Sharia, give your proof.

You are in no position to say who has been and who has not been forgiven.

You have no clue what Sharia is.

And I will go as far as saying that anyone rejecting Sharia is a non-Muslim.

 

Rob already did... several posts ago. Wake up. Read. LoL. Then again, you are impervious to evidence or knowledge of any sort.

I quoted you, bright spark. I also quoted Babak. Your issue is with your own words, not mine.

Is anyone taking notes? Lets see, we have the Shia, we have the Ahmadis, we have those who don't hate the US, and now we have those who reject Sharia, despite the fact a quarter BILLION muslims around the world do not live under Sharia. In fairness, you would have probably already disqualified those people as 'non-muslim' for one of your other silly reasons.

The real comedy is that you were the one to point out in a previous post, a Muslim is one who submits to the will of Allah. I guess you should have had a chance to write in your proviso, "One who submits to the will of Allah as I interpret it". Your blasphemy and shame know no bounds.

 

Give your proof or don't write with no knowledge.

You are in no such position to say who and who has not been forgiven.

Shia = sect, some Muslims some are not.

Ahmadiyyah = Non-Muslims

Those who reject Sharia (Sharia is extracted from Qur'aan and Hadith) = Non-Muslims.

Someone can claim to be a submitter but ask yourself if that person is worshiping a cow, is he still a submitter, no! Rather we have things nullify your status as a Muslim, its called shirk, and you have no idea what that is.

 

Fail on basic reading comprehension there bro. Go re-read my post. If you don't understand, read it again.

According to you. Then again, I'm sure you will also make yourself an authority on which Hadith are part of Islam and which are not. Fact is, you are the one belonging to a sect that is not part of Islam. You've provided all the evidence needed to back this claim.

That is exactly right. As I've pointed out many times now, this is why you cannot be legitimately called a Muslim.

Take heart. Despite the fact you have brought shame on yourself, you can still repent. Be thankful you don't live under Sharia, where you would be beaten or killed for your blasphemy.

 

Following Israel/SP guidelines, it follows that current estimations of the number of Muslims in the world are significantly inflated.

 

Well, let's just say extra-judicial punishment of females for religious reasons is amazingly prevalent in Muslim societies. For example, the Taliban is NOT the official government of Afghanistan... but in the article shown below from today's news, a girl was lured back to her house after breaking a lotta religious taboos and refusing an arranged marriage... and was dragged out of her house by the Taliban and publicly stoned. Stoned: Girl that tried to escape arranged marriage

Note that the guy quoted mentions Islam as the reason... not "culture"....

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ning-couple-death-adultery.html#ixzz1CGgBwYk9

No matter what radical Islamists say... personal moral behavior is between a person and God, regardless of what name you call him... or between them and their conscience. It's not the family's business, it isn't the governments business.

Any government that kills a girl because of her choice of lovers is a collection of misogynistic stone age morons. Any religion that approves of it is bound for the dustbin of history.

 

When will you learn to differentiate between a Muslim and Islaam?

 

The quote from the Taliban spokesman tells me all I need to know.

Originally Posted by TALIBAN SPOKESMAN:
'Anyone who knows about Islam knows that stoning is in the Koran, and that it is Islamic law. There are people who call it inhuman - but in doing so they insult the Prophet. They want to bring foreign thinking to this country'
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Anyone that agrees with stoning a girl based on her choice of lovers is due any ill that befalls him.

 

Agreed. Any government official which orders the killing of a girl for such absurdity should suffer the same fate, along with anyone moron that was present at the killing and was cheering it on. They don't deserve to have a place on Earth, much less to be in a position of authority and should be removed permanently.

As for religion "approving" it, I believe it has more to do with the interpretation of religion than the actual religion itself. Any religion, whether it's Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism or whatnot has hundreds of different subdivisions which have different ways of interpreting the teachings of the religion. Some (if not most) of these Islamic groups are peaceful and would disagree with such practices. Others are more radical (the "Death to America, kill all infidels, etc." club) and would agree with it and actually encourage it. These should be shunned by the entire human community.

Anyone like that is a waste of perfectly good carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.

Anyone who actually commits a stoning and is unlucky enough to wind up in my presence will have definitely have various things "befalling" on him. It will be worse than stoning.

 

Tell me something new, you accept whatever a Muslim tells you, but what you should be doing is looking at what the religion says. Your way of judgment is corrupt.

Anyway stoning is from the religion, I'm not disputing that, but where did "honor killing come from" this does not exist in Islaam, it's in certain cultures.

When someone is stoned for adultery in Islamic states then they don't call it "honor killing" it's called "stoning".

 

That might be the brightest thing you've ever printed. It is the very reason we can look at the idiocy you normally put out and say, "That is not Islam".

You can call it whatever you like. It remains murder and is against Islam. The fact you try and justify it by changing it's name is pretty disgusting.

 

I'm not the one changing the name, it's your little friend robjones.

 

So you agree it is the same thing. Since you support stoning in nations with rule by Sharia, I suppose we can assume you support Honor Killings in nations without Sharia. What a great guy you are.

 

No I don't agree that it's the same thing.

Stoning by the rulers is not "honor killing".

Honor killing is when the relative of someone tells another relative to injure/kill that someone. And its a cultural thing not Sharia law. It's considered murder and unlawful injury to someone, therefore not allowed.

 

Explain to me again how killing a person for adultery is a backwards cultural thing and against Islam while another instance of killing of a person for adultery is right and proper and is Islam at its best. If killing a person for adultery is against Islam, it is ALWAYS against Islam, not just against Islam so long as it wasn't done by the town elder.

 

in fact most of Sharia law didn't mentioned in Quran or don't comply what Quran said about them so can consider them as man made laws.
I guess hostage is more comply with our situation..

good question. in this case it has some different between Sharia law and Quran but it's better waiting to see IsraeI answer.

anyway IsraeI was right in previous post. for commit stoning, court had to reach this point that a married woman committed intercourse with another man but honor killing is more cultural but sharia law help family to done that without punishment as I described.

 

A layman cannot go around killing adulterers, but the government can.

This practice of stoning adulterers is not something limited to Muslims:

Here it is in the bible.

[Deuteronomy 22:23-24] If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death. the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Islaam is not limited to just the Qur'aan. The sources of information for this religion is Qur'aan, Authentic Hadeeth and Consensus.

 

I'd love to have a chat with him. Imagine all the repulsive things you could get him to admit his god being ok with.

What makes me laugh about the religious is one minute they are saying morality comes from god, then the next they are telling you how Hitler, the man responsible one of humanities worst events, is in heaven on the grounds of him being catholic but carl sagan, one of the most pleasant men to ever exist, isn't.

It's so easy to get them to paint their god as an absolute arsehole. What a great thing it is that this nasty piece of work doesn't exist, and what a travesty that even though he is fictional, some people worship such a scumbag.