Should an American get away with murder on foreign soil ?

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  2. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    If you are on someone else's land, you follow their laws, otherwise go back to where you came from.

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    True and I agree with you.
     
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  5. IsraeI

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    That doesnt match your earlier quote. Your earlier quote says follow the existing law or leave, not leave if the existing law says leave. Which is it?
     
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  7. IsraeI

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    #7
    There is no contradiction.

    1. If a foreigner comes from let's say USA to Albania, he should follow the laws in Albania, or leave.

    2. As for the people in that article, then they should follow British laws, BUT you cannot tell them to leave because that's where they are from (Britain), rather if they have breached the laws they should be imprisoned or whatever.

    PS: I don't think they breached any laws, they only are practicing what is known as "freedom of speech".

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    So if I understand you properly:

    1) The people in the article pushing for Sharia in the UK are wrong and should not be doing so.
    2) Any foreigners in that group should leave the UK.

    Interesting.
     
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    No.

    IF those in that article are breaching the law, then they should be dealt with accordingly, and those who are foreigners deported.

    As far as I know, pushing for Sharia is not a criminal offense.

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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    They are asking to make their own law, outside of the established legal process. It is extra-legal if not illegal. Glad to see you condemn the process.
     
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    As long as it is legal you cannot do nothing to do them.

    Capiche?

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    Absolutely. Correspondingly, the US diplomats who used weapons to defend themselves in Pakistan were very likely operating within their legal rights when they were attacked, so nothing to be done with them as well. I like it when we all get along :D.
     
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    #13
    Haha, if israeli said that here he'd get his ass kicked. "Capiche", indeed. I lol'd. :D

    Either it is OK to not follow the laws and stay, or one does not follow the laws and should leave - you stated the latter.

    If you believe it is OK for muslims to leave their own cuntries for the UK, then push for laws (sharia law, specifically) despite the fact they go against the West in terms of law, values, etc. then would it be equally OK for me to go to a crappy muslim cuntry and try to change the law there to be more Westernized?

    If not, explain why.
     
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    Yep the U.S. diplomats will go back to where they came from and have a BBQ .

    As for the sharia guys don't worry the anti-sharia groups are getting bigger and more organized . I get the displeasure of hearing them shout every two weeks or so even here .
     
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    On April 20, 2000, a Jordanian citizen by the name of Asa'd Khalil Issa Alramahy, 65 years, was hit by a car as he was traversing the street on the crossing area. The driver who hit him was a staff member of the American Embassy in Amman that goes by the name of Chris "Carty" Carter.

    Instead of taking his victim to the hospital to get critically needed medical care, Mr. Carter left his victim unconscious on the roadside after placing his business card on the victim's chest!

    Is this the right thing to do ?
     
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    What a sick guy, he get's to leave notes when he injures people because he is American.

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  17. Misato

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    In a letter to the Arab Organization of human rights, the American embassy in Amman said that they understood that the Diplomat "had satisfied his obligations under local laws and customs".

    Without remorse ? Apology to the family ?
     
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    My understanding is that diplomatic immunity only covers boring stuff like parking tickets and speeding. Serious crimes aren't covered and they must adhere to local laws.

    Still local laws can cramp your style as one Kiwi lad found out lately: Dubai love triangle trio on bail. However he knew the local laws - he'd been there long enough - and still chose to live in a country that outlawed what many would consider to be acceptable youthful endeavors.
     
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    The US government is the biggest offender of parking tickets alone. They run up more than £3.8 million in unpaid (traffic) fines incurred in a seven-year diplomatic stand-off over the congestion charge. The US said they are exempt from it.
     
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    If I had diplomatic immunity, I wouldn't pay parking fines either ;)
     
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