God will forgive anything except becoming a non-Muslim.

nice job.

lol I don't think he share his Email with his brother too!

or mislead

I guess he don't means those guys!

 

yeah he is Arhaman Raahemin, so don't worry!

 

This passage does not indicate forgiveness of willful sins made with full knowledge. It just demonstrates forgiveness of a more than a single sin. I would be interested in a passage that demonstrates forgiveness of the willful sinner, if you can produce one.

 

Few things are hotter than a pole-dancing Muslim.

 

Al-Tirmidhi (3540) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Allaah, may He be blessed and exalted, said: ‘O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you and I would not mind.’” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

As you can see the highlighted, Allaah the All-Mighty said "whatever you have done" and that includes sinning while knowing it is a sin.

I would also like to say that Allaah the All-Mighty can forgive shirk, as long as you repent from it whilst alive, if you die upon it you are doomed to hell forever, whereas sins less than it you have a chance of getting forgiven otherwise getting punished for it (but not forever).

He is indeed the Oft Forgiven, the Most Merciful, compare Allaah The-All-mighty to the non-existent Christian God that has to come to earth, eating food, drinking, visiting the toilet, then killing himself on a cross to forgive you your sins, blasphemy in it's greatest forms.

 

If Allah is so forgiving why do you guys force women to commit suicide to be forgiven for adultery ? Why do you lapidate women ? Why do you cut hands off people ?

 

Forgive my lack of understanding of Sharia, but why must a person be stoned to death for a variety of sins if Allah himself has forgiven them their sins via repentance prior to their stoning? Wouldn't that make those doing the stoning sinners in the eyes of Allah, for killing one of his faithful servants?

 

If you wanna see which one people really appreciate... put two links in a post.

- Make one link that says it leads to the writings (ok, rantings) of a radical Muslim cleric.
- Make the other a link to pictures of his hot daughter pole dancing.

Guarantee you the clicks on the second will be immensely higher than the first even among muslim members.

 

We don't force women to commit sucide, I don't know what lapidate means, and we cut the hand of the thief in Islamic states, it's the law.

The Adulterer should conceal his/hers sin, and repent from it, and by the will of Allaah they will be forgiven and no stoning will take place.

If however they make their sin manifest to the people and the it reaches the people of authority, then punishment is due even if they have repented.

You may ask, what is the point of repenting? Well if that person does not repent he/she risks more punishment in the next lif, so you are repenting so that you won't get punished in the hereafer. Similarly if you drink alcohol and you repent, you won't get punished in the hereafter, but the consequences (bad health) will stay with you, or come to you (if not already sick).

And stoning by the way only applies in Islamic states, not anywhere else.

There are consequences to ones actions, like the one who steals, do you think he/she should steal, then repent and that's it, no, there are conditions of accepting the repentance, and one of them is that he returns that which is stolen.

 

Of course. Under Sharia, like you would like to convert Israel, and Islamists would like to convert other western nations to.

Conceal his/her sin? Isn't that where hypocrisy comes from? Wouldn't that make you a liar, something detestable to Allah? Also, you haven't answered my question. If Allah has forgiven, and Sharia is rule according to Islam, why should the authorities care?

No, the repentence part I understand perfectly. Repentence is necessary to restore your standing as a Muslim before Allah. My question is about a form of government that does not accept reprentence when Allah does. If allah has accepted the person's reprentence, the sinner has become a Muslim in good standing, and we all know the penalty for killing a fellow Muslim.

Of course. So again, if the conditions of repentence have been fulfilled, how can you justify punishment outside of what allah reserves in the afterlife?

 

It's permissible to conceal your sins from others, in fact it is encouraged, it's not hypocrisy. The origin of sins, is that they should be concealed, and the wisdom behind that is that:

1. People can imitate you in that sin, some will say "hey, if he is doing it, I'm gona do it too"
2. You are put to shame, and of course you don't want that.

And other reasons.

The authorities are those who are taking care of society, it is necessary for criminals to be prosecuted and punished if necessary for the safety, welfare, health of society. But it is not necessary for you to go to the authorities and tell them you committed Adultery, you can keep it to you're self.

No it is not to "restore" your standing as a Muslim, I told you before, and I will say it again, a sin (less than shirk) does not make you a non-Muslim.

The government does not accept or reject repentance, that is not their job, their job is to punish criminals of the land, they have permission to do so from Allaah the All-Mighty.

As for Allaah accepting the repentance of the Adulterer, then yes, but, you must understand that the person still bears the consequences of that sin which is stoning If recall correctly. The wisdom behind this punishment is that Adultery will decrease in society, nobody wants to commit such sin because of the punishment, and if the Adulterer is pardoned and not punished, everyone can do this ugly sin without ever getting punished because he/she claims to have repented, easy way to run from punishment. Not only that but let's also never imprison people, after all they repented?

You bear the consequences of your actions.

If you was one of those who repented, then you still bear the consequences in this life, but in the hereafter there is no punishment (this is where the incentive lies), however if you have not repented, punishment is due in this life and the next.

Addressed this.

 

So what you are telling me here is that rape, homosexuality, adultry, beastiaity, and all kinds of other sins are common place in governments ruled by Sharia because the people conceal these sins to avoid shame. I suppose we can throw out any statistics we get regarding crime from any nation ruled by Sharia. The amazing thing is, concelaing your sin avoids the need to repent, so these people are quite likely also going to hell.

Q: Why is Adultry a crime under Sharia
A: Because it is a sin.

You are trying to separate sins from crimes, but under Sharia, many of these crimes are only crimes BECAUSE they are sins. This leaves the question remaining. If allah has forgiven, what right do these people have to kill Muslims in good standing. Certainly it does not come from Allah because it stands in conflict with Islam.

I never said he/she wasn't a Muslim. A sinner is not in good standing with Allah. Period. Repentence is necessary to restore your standing and avoid hell. What did you miss?

Interesting bit of Blasphemy. By your logic, it is OK to kill a Muslim in this life based on knowledge of a sin because Allah will still reward this person in the afterlife. If that were true, killing a Muslim would hardly be a sin at all since, as you say, most Muslims are concealing various sins. Even someone new to Islam, such as myself, knows this is contrary to everything written in the Qu'ran.

 

I did not say they "are common place" in those governments, all I said is that sins of the people are not to be exposed, this is done throughout the world, nobody wants to be known as a criminal.

Concealing you're sins does not mean you are avoiding repentance, you are simply not telling others to protect yourself from shame and you are not showing others so that they may not imitate you in that sin.

Please don't prolong this conversation any further, by twisting things, asking un-necessary questions, and as a result I'm having to write lengthy posts to make you understand, have some self-respect and don't waste my time.

Because it is a sin.

Forgiven in the sense that in the hereafter that sin is not in you're records any more, therefore there is no punishment for you (in the hereafter).

In this life however (if you make it manifest and the authorities find out) you face the consequences even if you have repented, and this is because it is the law, you cannot escape the law, you are suggesting that someone who has brutally stabbed someone 17 times while sleeping should not be imprisoned because he has repented, which is wrong.

I'm saying to you that, the stabber if he repents will get the sin removed from his records, and n punishment is due in the hereafter, but in this life he faces the consequences (law of the land).

Not in good standing, agreed.

Depends on the sin, if it is adultery then it is stoning to death, if the conditions are met. That person if he.she has not repented will face punishment in this life and the next.

If however this person repents, then he.she gets punished in this life only.

Killing a Muslim for a just cause, is ok. What is not allowed is killing a Muslim without a just cause.

You say "most" Muslims are concealing various sins, we both know you do not know the unseen, so lets not go there.

Don't kid you're self.

 

You said concealing your sins is encouraged, to avoid a bad example. To conceal ones sins, one must lie. Did you rape your camel? Uh no. Did you rape your dog? Uh no. Did you rape your wife, your friends wife? No. Are you an adulterer? No!

By your definition, we must assume that it is as likely as not that the person answering any of these questions is lying. As you say, it is "encouraged". Once you go down the path of promoting falshood, one cannot give credence to even a single statistic coming from such a culture. We see it daily from you here as you try to deny in the face of overwhelming evidence that Islamists had anything to do with 9-11.

Of course. We see this logic with honor killings, despite the fact honor killings occur in lands without Sharia. When you encourage the idea of taking the life of a Muslim in good standing, you promote blasphemy. There is no other way to see it.

No, YOU say concealment of sins is encouraged in Islam. You say lying is promoted. I'm sure you are aware we are all sinners, but only Muslims under Sharia are encouraged to be liars. Its stunning you cannot grasp this concept.

 

I never said that you can lie, if someone asks you whether you did such a sin, you can't say "no" (if you did indeed commit the sin), because that would be a lie, what would be more appropriate and permissible is "none of your business".

And of course if your sin harmed someone, then one of the conditions (for repentance to be accepted) is to rectify the situation, e.g. to pay back debt, or to return what has been stolen, or if you raped someone, then there are correct procedures to take, which involve in you telling your sins to others.

You are making assumptions, I have not even given you the full picture of things. In general sins are not exposed, but sometimes as you have excellently noticed it has to be and it is obligatory to be exposed.

As for honor killing, I don't know what that is, and I can't be bothered to look it up.

 

An honor killing or honour killing[1] (also called a customary killing) is the murder of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators (and potentially the wider community) that the victim has brought dishonour upon the family or community. Honour killings are directed mostly against women and girls.

The perceived dishonor is normally the result of one of the following behaviors, or the suspicion of such behaviors: (a) dressing in a manner unacceptable to the family or community, (b) wanting to terminate or prevent an arranged marriage or desiring to marry by own choice, (c) engaging in heterosexual sexual acts outside marriage, or even due to a non-sexual relationship perceived as inappropriate, and (d) engaging in homosexual acts. Women and girls are killed at a much higher rate than men.

Source: Wikipedia

This despicable act is sometimes practiced in Islamic countries. Even if caught, the perpetrators of these acts often receive no, or little punishment from the authorities.

It sometimes happens in the west too, but the difference here is that such barbaric actions are not acceptable and are punished to the full extent of the law.

 

Not gonna bother rewriting this one...

 

hi bro.
First of all not all the sins have punishment in Quran and Shariah law.
Sex with animals hasn't any punishment if that animal hadn't any other owner. Just in some cases telling lie has punishments but in common telling lie hasn't any punishment.

Just if a woman had intercourse with a guy will be stoning when alive husband had according to Shariah law not according to Quran. In the Quran mentioned some other punishments as the husband allowed to custody her in the home. most other cheating ways by women are free of charge.
I guess this is because that man paid a lot money to marry her and nearly she is in his property. No where in Quran mentioned any punishment for a married man who cheats his wife.

I guess it's better we talk about definite sins or crime in Islam.
Most of the sins are between human and God. many Mullahs think when a Muslim done his task in Mecca as Hajj ritual then all of his/her sins will wipe.

 

There is no such thing as honor killing in Islaam.

What we have is punishment by the rulers of the land for certain sins, it is not done for honor per se, but rather because it is the law. No family member is allowed to carry out this punishment, this is for the judges.

I think you are referring to when a woman did something, the father orders his friends to go and kill her or whatever, this has something to do with culture and not Islaam.

 

well this matter now becoming big day by day.