US Falling Down its Grip ?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Misato, Jan 12, 2011.

  1. Helvetii

    Helvetii Notable Member

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    #101
    Nonsense, Constitution says congress should approve a war and it didn't approve the 1999 war. US military still went through with it making it an abuse of power. End of.

    You need to read the Helvetii Doctrine. Calling you out is not only legal, its my official policy.

    Thanks for the admission that its your official policy to abuse your power and disregard consensually agreed international diplomatic laws unilaterally. Couldn't have done the job better ;)

    Lot of BS but still doesn't change the fact that forcing a foreign government to drop a civil lawsuit against a private firm or face a potential "chilling effect on relationships" is a clear and blatant abuse of power by US. Period.

    LOL you have been owned, now no use getting hysterical in the corner. ;) :cool:
     
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  2. popotalk

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    #102
    I love people when they are very angry>>>yawn<<<
     
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  3. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #103
    The US has not declared war since WWII. Most people shut up when opening their mouth puts their ignorance on display, but not you. Keep it coming genius.


    I can't be bothered by your stretched definition of abuse of power. It fits in nicely with your all encompassing definition of terrorism. You should be an Islamist. Thankfully, the multi-national force in Afghanistan disagrees with your idiotic definition and agrees with Dubya. Maybe one day when you get elected to the highest office of the most powerful country on the planet, you can make a doctrine of your own. In the mean time, I guess you'll have to settle for publishing the "How to rip off Google Doctrine".


    Forced. I love your definitions. Its like saying, "My clients said they would buy less product next year unless they got to tap my wife's ass, so I let them. They forced me." Even funnier is how your government pimps your ass like a hooker, and you get upset at the john. Forced. LoL.

    Look on the bright side Helvetii. All things considered, India netted a lot more than 300 million dollars from the US based on expanded trade. Sure they treated your injured citizens like whores, but you got paid real nice. If anyone should be pissed, its the US taxpayers who come up short when the US uses trade policy this way. It still isn't an abuse of power, it just isn't a foreign policy decision I would support.

    Your dizzy. Sit down and breathe. What day is it? Wake up man... wake up!
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #104
    And very little understanding of history as well. What "1999 war" are you referring to exactly? The only one I remember was Kosovo, and the US was an allied force, not a "declarer of war".


    For those of us that have, hash, acid and crack are things we'll never do as a result.
     
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  5. laxman363

    laxman363 Active Member

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    #105
    I have always been bad with evidence on other threads too but for such things you just need to be a " Completely out of the world " to know that USA is the biggest bully, self-centred and violent nation at present. I won't be searching the net but...
    1) USA attacked iraq for oil not for some illegal waepons or the shit reason it claimed.
    2) It has been bullying indian directly and both indirectly for many years.
    3) Whenever it sees a nation progressing and he thinks that he won't stay on the top, he uses his freindly organization called UN which is controled by USA or someother shit methods accompanied with some stupid excuses. USA has UN in his pocket and misuses that too.

    Lastly, I have no issues with you or any other american. I accept the flaws of my country if you point out as you did in your thread and the same applies to you. America is a superpower but it uses his power to stay on the throne and bullies other countries.
     
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  6. atvking

    atvking Active Member

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    #106
    not paranoia but common sense...you see when the US does an "Iraq" on your country and bombs/economic sanctions it to rubble enough, its only a matter of time before you stop giving a crap...after a few decades of US foreign policy you see no future and really stop giving a crap like you would not believe...so one day you are there with a glass vial containing some horrendous bacteria and you have one of two possible choices:
    1) a slow death under US foreign policy...you do not open the vial
    2) a quick death and you take the bomb droppers with you

    its an easy choice...you reap what you sow and the US sows bombs its pure action=reaction completely inevitable
     
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  7. atvking

    atvking Active Member

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    #107
    HAHAHAHA you ,conveniently , forget to mention that if country X does not accept your "foreign policy decision" it gets economic sanctions (millions of peoples livelyhoods will be destroyed over your cowboy politics) and if country X still "disobeys" it gets invaded or its politicians get replaced by any means necessary including war...its not like country X has a choice LOL... I like how you pretend that they actually have a choice in the matter...
     
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  8. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #108
    Thank you for your post . I've drawn 3 conclusions so far :

    You hate the US - understandable .
    You don't know much about foreign policy or bio-warfare .
    You agree whit suicide bombings .

    My advice to you is , go finish school , get a decent job and make a family . Be happy and enjoy life .
     
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  9. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #109
    I'll address this statement first because I agree with it in principal. Even my other thread about India's problems with the Caste system were more oriented towards Helvetii who makes a practice of exaggerating and overstating the problems in the US, and no so much an indictment of the Indian people or even it's governance. While I won't say your governance does not have an assload of flaws and problems, I consider it a waste of my time to harp on them because it a) doesn't accomplish anything but to stir up Indian nationalism, and b)they appear to be working as diligently at resolving their problems as any nation of their stature, and perhaps better.

    Now to some problems with your statements:
    Completely wasted sentence, full of groundless accusations. Also, using the word "biggest" implies our actions are worse in comparison to some other nation state of similar status. Who will you be comparing us to?

    Evidence?

    What is your definition of bullying. I used to run a small consulting firm that dealt exclusively with fortune 500 clients. They "bullied" the hell out of my little business, and on occasion, stole from my employee base. Compliance with their bullying provided my little company with outrageous year over year revenue growth for many years. The same has been true for India's relations with the US. I don't get the whining.

    The UN is in our pocket? Examples please. For damn sure we didn't want Ahmadinijad on the Human Rights council, or Israel sanctioned while much more pressing humanitarian issues were being ignored in Africa. Many Americans question why the US continues to be part of such a dysfunctional and corrupt organization. If we ran the UN, you wouldn't get that kind of rhetoric here in the US.


    @ATVKing: I like your points on Iraq. You make a good argument for why George Bush Sr. should never have let Sadaam stay in power in 2001.
     
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  10. atvking

    atvking Active Member

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    #110
    Lets say I hate people who drop bombs on other people. Warmongers. Nothing wrong with that. The #1 bomb dropper in the world is the US army it bombs more than anybody else x100 and this is a conservative prognosis.

    But I'm an expert on US foreign policy :) hell I've been on the receiving end of it for the last 20 years LOL. I know its real effects all too well and I'm highly amused when some American tries to explain to me what the USA is all about LOOL
    As for bio warfare I don't know much its just a logical example.

    No this is just you presuming what you wish and trying to brand me accordingly. Just like Obamanation with his "Milosevic supporter" bullshit. I don't support any type of murder/bombing/war/violence and I find it most amusing that when I speak out against those who murder/bomb/war/promote violence the most I actually get accused of supporting the other side :)

    To get a job you have to find one :) In my country for example the average wait for a job is 5-8 years with 0 welfare and the job you will get after 5-8 years of waiting, IF you get it at all, will most likely not be sufficient to pay for your basic living needs (food and bills).
    Making a family also requires money but you would be lucky to manage paying for food and bills IF you can get a job in the first place where unemployment is at 50%.
    I have job but for most of the population of my country your advice sounds like this "Win the lottery, buy a yacht, and enjoy life haha! "

    Bacteria or not action WILL equal reaction no matter how deep some people try to bury their head in the sand. I don't wish for the end of the USA, I'm not naive and I know the next mafia will be just as bad, but I really would not want to be living in the USA during the next 20-30 years. They may be able to delay the reaping of what they sowed but it will happen sooner or later.

    This is just my prognosis for the end. I dont see it happening in a military or economic way because the USA will always manipulate world events with muscle and money to its favour.
    Until then the whole world is hostage to the politics of a few.

    For true freedom you must have the biggest gun.
     
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  11. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #111
    If only Milosovich could have finished his work! LoL.

    That would explain a lot of your bitterness. Why not blame the US? Perfect. Not your fault your country's economy sucks, just like it isn't your fault people like Milosovich rounded people up based on ethnicity for orderly termination. You'd fit in nicely as an American liberal, where the concept of personal responsibility is non-existent.
     
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  12. atvking

    atvking Active Member

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    #112
    Squirm around it all you want :) I know your foreign policy much better than you ever will. You have no clue what happened and how could you have a clue when you were not there? All you got was what your media decided to print. So you read a few "books" or "articles" and you saw your favourite "pro bombing news" and you know more than I do after 20 years? LOL

    I know you think Americans are "special" and can, somehow, know what happens in other countries better than the citizens of these countries do themselves :rolleyes: and that your "can do no wrong" government and "honest politicians" like to pretend that bombing a country to rubble is better than just leaving it alone :rolleyes: but this is only in your head LOL you will pay dearly sooner or later because: (now prepare for some shocking news)

    -You are nothing special-

    hate to break it to you but its the truth...sure your US brain wash has you thinking that your government is the best in the world and that you are all, somehow, better than the rest of the world but this illusion does not actually protect you in the real world...in the real world technology advances and you have pissed off a lot of people and tick tick tick the time is coming to reap what you sow...you know its inevitable...in one form or another...
     
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  13. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #113
    My momma always told me, "special is as special does". If it makes you feel any better, I think your special :D.
     
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  14. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #114
    Well said.

    :D
     
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    #115
    Nice explanation @ atvking
     
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  16. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #116
    One could almost count on you to weigh in on the anti-American side, even if the US was on the side of Muslims in this conflict. Like I always say, you are no Muslim.

     
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  17. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #117
    So tell us, when and why did you convert to Islaam?

    :D
     
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    #118
    Yet without those bombs both you and me would be enjoying the benefits of being under soviet influence . I know Yugoslavia was doing quite well during the communist era . Nevertheless the change to democracy was unavoidable , it's sad that the federation split up in this way . Time will tell if this was good or bad , right now nothing good came out of that fall .

    This is why i'm not blaming you for hating the U.S. F.P. expert you are not AFAIK but no one expects you to be unbiased or diplomatic .

    I'm not "trying to brand you" you have to say something extremely idiotic for me to categorize you as a nut . However you passage about taking the "bomb droppers" whit you lead me to think you see suicide bombing as a solution . If this wasn't your view perhaps your words where poorly chosen or poorly understood .

    I've yet to analyze Montenegro's economic situation , but I assume it can't be that grimm as you're describing it . Last time as i remember the situation sucked but what you're describing is a failed state .

    I'm glad that you don't wish for the demise of the U.S. . I for one would hate that for the alternatives are China , Russia or the Arab states . All 3 done nothing for freedom in the last century and all but Russia being complete morons . The U.S. might not be the perfect guardian for the worlds freedom but atm it's the best option .
     
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  19. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #119
    I'd be happy to explain if you can provide a legitimate explanation of how you can call yourself a Muslim when your last post supported a man who oppressed Muslims.
     
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    #120
    @obamanation

    anti-american is what the US gov and arny are...you are hostages to their politics and YOU (citizens) will pay for what a few politicians decided...dropping bombs on others is not pro-american no matter how much you make believe it is...you will reap what you sow...I wont be happy when it happens I've seen too much suffering and anguish to wish it upon anybody even the ignorant and arrogant...

    oh and you were not on the side of the muslims in kosovo LOL you were on the side of your best financial intere$t$ this is all the U$A cares about just ask ANY arab LOL...since when does the USA help anybody? no more beer for you LOL it makes you post silly stuff...
     
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