Is Julian Assange really guilty of sexual offences?

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  1. gworld

    gworld Prominent Member

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    Stolen luxury cars almost double at Romanian border
     
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  2. Breeze Wood

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    #42
    Seems Wikileaks, Assange and Manning have disappeared from the media.....tempest in a tea pot.
     
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    #43
    Wow that website has more crappy news then a Romanian tabloid (they're tabloid what can I say) , the news are somewhat distorted in numbers and conditions but other then that they are real . Ya most black imports come from Germany and the crap stuff comes from Italy . Luxury cars like Bentleys rarely get checked simply because cops assume that big-shots can't be guilty (old communist mentality).
     
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    Lets be clear here. The Swedish authorities haven't filed anything or haven't charged him with breaking any law; he was allowed to leave the country when the authorities dropped the case. If he determines that the circumstances are to be unfair in Sweden, he has that right to fight extradition; whether or not he has something to hide or not. That is all I am saying. Of course the courts will decide, but where is the question.


    Swedish authorities want him for questioning. The point is they would accept this form of communication if it were not for something else or something they are hiding. If they really want him for questioning they would use this method or as suggested by UK authorities for him to be questioned on UK soil by Swedish authorities. This form of communication IS used in the UK, US and Sweden has also used video conferencing in civil matters.

    http://www.videoconferencing-legal.com/legal_uk.htm
    http://www.videoconferencing-legal.com/legal_USA.htm
     
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    #45
    Did you add anything new in the last post? No. The courts will decide and video conferencing is an option he can ask for and that they can refuse, or refuse to even consider. He can fight extradition, or he can roll with it. On a personal note, if I had raped two women in Sweden, I think I'd fight extradition too:D. Doesn't mean I should, could, or would get away with it.
     
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    #46
    And what would you do if you hadn't raped anyone but was accused of it and then expected to return?
     
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    #47
    If I had exculpatory evidence, I would rush to the trial just to be done with it. Rape trials are tough that way. Most people don't keep video recordings of their sexual encounters.

    I'm not bagging on the guy for throwing up the "This is all political character assassination" defense. I'm bagging on the idiots in the peanut gallery asking for due process to be set aside because they have already made a judgment.
     
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    #48
    You said at the start of this thread that the courts should decide. I agree, but that is stating the obvious, they will decide eventually on the 11th of this month. However I said that it is okay to theorize in which the way the OP has. Then you come out with a theory which isn't logical in terms that it doesn't follow the events which are leading up to what is actually happening. I was only replying to those remarks. But the fact is that the rape charges were dropped and in light of the leaks from Wikileaks, the case is reopened. Don't you think that is something you could base a theory on which makes logical sense?
     
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    #49
    I can see that your expectations from Obamanation are way too high :rolleyes:
     
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    I think one can draw reasonable conclusions from just about anything. You seem reasonable so I'll present a reasonable theory. Given that at least one of the women who are claiming sexual assault share the political ideology with Assange, it is hard to argue that the charges are purely political. Sadly for women, many rape cases are dropped because there are no witnesses, which might explain why the case was dropped earlier. The fact the prosecutor has picked the case back up again could indicate new evidence or could indicate Assange has pissed off enough people within the Swedish legal system that he has made it worth their while to give prosecuting him a go, even if it will be difficult to get a conviction.

    Between Sweden, who flaunts their lack of piracy laws in the face of US corporate interests, and the UK, who are usually at the front of the line to assist when the US calls for military assistance, Sweden seems dramatically less inclined to buckle to US political pressure.

    Put it all together and what you are left with is the picture of a guy who probably crossed the line between rough sex and forced sex. The fact he has pissed off the leadership of every ally the US has(including the UK) certainly doesn't help in letting his actions just slip through the cracks like they might sadly have with 90% of other men in the same position.

    Once again, this is only my speculation based on the facts at hand. I'll concede that having him extradited for sexual assault is a bit out of the ordinary, but he made his own bed and now he gets to lay in it. I didn't get too wound up when they gave OJ more time than many murderers get, just for recovering personal effects that were stolen from him. They put Al Capone away for tax evasion.
     
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    #51
    Its just a cheap media attack against Assange. Its what the US Gov. does. They cant brand him as a terrorist so he is a spy and a rapist. To claim that the US gov. would actually face any charges or accusations against them is silly, when you have power you (ab) use it.

    Or lets look at it from Assanges point of view: IF he is guilty and there is any type of evidence against him is he REALLY going to take on the #1 Mafia in the world just for media popularity and some quick $? To do what he did you have to be motivated by something more than just greed.

    Look at all the stuff he disclosed about the US gov. it comes as no big surprise that they brand him as a sex offender for damage control.
     
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  12. Mia

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    They're not actually. They are a Unitary Parliamentary Republic.
     
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    #53
    Neither is USA, so in this case nobody needs to care what they say. :rolleyes:
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Actually the US, while not a "True Democracy", still does contain several democratic elements.
     
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    #55
    If every criminal took Assange's stand, and chose not to face their accusers, we'd have no need to build prisons...
     
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    #56
    The U.S. is the closest thing in the world to a perfect democracy . The balance of power is almost perfect .
     
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    Actually Italy, while not a "True Democracy", still does contain several democratic elements. :rolleyes:

    By the way, are you still saying that "nothing went wrong" like you posted while US officially was in recession? :rolleyes:
     
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    Like?

    The US is officially in recession right now you dumb ass.
     
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    #59
    You have nothing against USA not extraditing convicted criminal to Italy to server their prison time but you are complaining that he is exercising his legal right to fight an extradition order, what a hypocrite.

    Did you come to this conclusion because someone in your village visited USA for a week and told you it was much better than Romania? :rolleyes:
     
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    Who the fuck is talking about Italy? Just goes to show what kind of moron's Assange has following them...
     
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