Iraqi Death Toll Exceeds 600,000 Since Invasion, Report Says

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    Disgusting! People deserve to burn in hell for this! :mad:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aq9UQebGSlKM
     
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  3. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    Does anybody question these things?

    Let's look at this same group's last press release.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-10-28-casualties_x.htm

    In 2004 it said 100,000 people had died. Have 500,000 more people died in 2 years?

    But, that's not really important, let's read from the article ourselves:

    Coincidence? Probably not. Wait. Definitely not. More reading:

    And further. Are the numbers possibly inflated? Yeah. Probably. More reading.

    But hey. 600,000 is such a nice little number. Let's not question it. Message, right? Wonder where all those bodies are kept.

    Iraq Body count: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    Lists it at about 50,000 or so. Why such a discrepancy. Iraq only has 26 million people in it. 600,000 is about 2.5% of the population. Don't you think such a large percentage might be missed?

    But, let's not question it.
     
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  4. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    Well, unfortunately since we're not given offical numbers or estimates, people have to conduct research and surveys like this.

    The Iraq body count is a different report.
    Look at their methodology if you're not sure what that means-
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/background.php

    Cherry pickers!! :p
     
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    Do you not see the flaws in their analysis? 500,000 more dead in 2 years? 2.5% of the population wiped off the face of the earth in 3? Against the war or not; that's irrelevant, these numbers have no basis in reality.
     
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  6. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    Of course! They're two randomly-sampled surveys.

    Unfortunately, you have to look at all of the reports and surveys and draw your own conclusions.

    Or, you could just shrug it off like George W. Bush does. :rolleyes:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6040054.stm
     
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    hextraordinary Well-Known Member

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    #7
    thats 685 people a day...... Seems just a little high....
     
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  8. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    And 16,000+ children dying each day from starvation seems high too.

    Do you have an explanation as to why 685 people a day "seems high" to you?
     
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    #9
    The media alone reports 100+ iraqi deaths per day now just from bombings and death squads. Factor in lack of medical care and supplies, etc... 685/day might be high, but 50,000 is probably very low.

    PS: gotta take into account the thousands who died instantly during america's initial air bombing of iraq :cool:
     
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    what initial air bombing? I think you are confusing the 91 war with this one.
     
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    More. Washington Post.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442_2.html

    56 + 14 + 31 = 101%. Assuming this isn't simply a rounding error, at least one could have checked to make sure the numbers add up.

    Let's ignore that the 655,000 number does not even take into account the differences between: police, civilians, insurgents, violent crime, etc etc etc. It simply lumps all of these people together.

    Given that the terrorists (insurgents, whatever), account for 70% (combining gunshots and explosions) of these deaths, makes sense that if they'd stop killing people; people would stop dying right? But of course, the blame falls upon the US.

    31% are done by the coalition forces. Probably killing the people doing the other 70% of the deaths.

    But again, let's really not take time to question the motives, methods, or anything.
     
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  12. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    That's horrible. I can't even imagine the pain Iraq has been (and continues to go) through.
     
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    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    Deaths are deaths. That is the stupidest statement I've ever seen in my life. Forget the numbers for a minute and really try hard to see how stupid that is. :rolleyes:
     
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    #14
    you dont see the difference between insurgents who make it a point to kill anyone they can and civilians?
     
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    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #15
    One countries insurgent is another countries hero. Death is death.

    Case is point, would the USA exsist without "hero" insurgents?

    I guess the count is subject to the perspective one counts from. But again, death is death.
     
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    Those heroes! Blowing up Iraqi police, killing civilians, filling cars with bombs and blowing people up. Heroes!

    Next, we'll be saying that the 19 hijaakers (one man freedom fighter's or hero right?) should be honored on a 9/11 memorial. Oh wait, someone is suggesting that.
     
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    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #17
    I knew you couldn't do it. I just knew it. :rolleyes:

    By that account, we should give the country back to England then, right?
     
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    So, in your mind, the revolutionary army was no different than the Iraqi insurgency. Is that your point here?
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of who's doing the actual killing the point is it's a result of America's invasion of Iraq. There would be no insurgency there had we not invaded. :cool:
     
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