Why do the liberals hate us?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by chulium, Oct 8, 2006.

  1. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #21
    Oh yes, this is definitely different in the US!

    We have totally and completely screwed the definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" here in the US.

    Now, "liberal" means "communist" and "conservative" means "liberal."

    It's become insanely difficult to have even the most basic conversation about politics.
     
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  2. Will.Spencer

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    #22
    So I guess that means that liberals are people with STDs?
     
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  3. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #23
    See you still hold grudges after all these years, don't feel bad Will those hippie chicks wern't even great back then
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

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    #24
    I wouldn't know, I wouldn't touch a hippy with my bare hands.
     
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    #25
     
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  6. latehorn

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    #26
    Stripping privacy and freedoms is not something unique for Bush, this is happening all over the world.

    Why put Bush responsibel for it and not Al-Qaida?
     
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    #27
    True it happens everywhere but Bush is the leader of US not Al-Qaida so if privacy is being stripped in US naturally the blame lies with the leader of said country
     
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  8. latehorn

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    #28
    US is a keytarget for terrorists because of it's foreign policy and it's superioty

    I don't agree that stripping privacy is neccesary all the time, but I understand the motives. Security agencies, the millitary and the police have got new abillities to fight terrorism and rough crimminality which has prevented many horrible incidents to take place.
     
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  9. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #29
    Oops, I probably should have clarified "liberal" before I went to bed after I posted this thread!

    Liberals, in my book, are so far left that they don't make any sense. They just don't get it. They are usually just ignorant. Democrats in general I have respect for their beliefs, but I just can't understand a liberal.

    I guess that should have been cleared up first... now i'll go back and respond to some comments.

    Right, sorry, I'm not allowed to say my response though because it's against my freedom of speech which the President has so irrevocably taken away. In fact, I can't even be on the Internet writing this because I lost my freedom to publish what I want, which is why I need to shut my blog down. Also, everybody in my country is hereby converting to the Church of Bush!

    Well, cause we have the right to say NO ;)

    Sweet. We totally don't want ANYTHING to change, which is why Bush hasn't done *anything* in his Presidency that has accomplished SOMETHING :rolleyes:

    (See the beginning of my responses)

    Like 1% of us. And that 1% does not represent our entire country. I'm talking about fighting those forces that have bombed and murdered our own 3,000 innocent people that one single day.

    Because one of them will probably be president someday :(

    Eh, that'll do for now... let'see what comes after my post :)
     
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    #30
    That has to be one of the most ironic things I've ever read..
     
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  11. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #31
    What - name a single basic freedom you've lost that you have a right to have...
     
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    #32
    Mate I live in England. And over here, it's nearly as bad as your country. We no longer have the full extent of our "Freedom of speech". I cannot say racist comments online (not that I'd want to, but I'd be arrested as some youth was in London), I cannot preach in the street against particular ethnic groups or any "different" types of people, I cannot say "Christmas" in some areas on England as it may offend other religious sects. So these are some of the basic freedoms I am denied. As for the US, I'm pretty sure that if you're white and American, you'll get far in any job - whereas if you're black, regardless of whether you're educated or not, you'll not get as far. Just look at Colin Powell, he could have run as president, but instead they made him a subordinate because he'd be in danger of assassination. Have you had any black presidents? Or female? I know England has a bad history with that too, but at least we've had one female prime minister.

    I think we should all unite and revolt against all forms of authority, only then may we all be truly free; you can deny everything else, but not that.

    So yes, there's how "free" I am.

    P.S. Please don't stereotype liberals, some of us are compassionate, that's why you hate us so much, because we're actually for the people, not the government or corporation. Hence welfare and the reduction in authoritative power.
     
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  13. Will.Spencer

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    #33
    Actually, it's very much the opposite of that. We have so many rules forcing government and corporations to promote minorities (including women), that minorities and women can do very well even if they are lazy and stupid.

    No one "made him a subordinate." If anything, Colin Powell went much further than he would have without his minority status.

    Not yet, but we're still hoping for Condi.

    We haven't had a really great female politician since Jean Kirkpatrick.

    Condi is brilliant and amazingly knowledgable, but she's never been a politician.

    Your second best Prime Minister ever!

    And your best PM ever was half-American. :cool:

    Unfortunately, anarchy is an extremely unstable form of government which very quickly devolves into dictatorship.


    I wouldn't be so hard on liberals if they would give welfare out of their own pockets instead of taking it from mine.

    And then when they get that heavy attitude about how they are so moral because they steal money from me to give to some other schmuck who is more deserving than me, I want to hurt them -- badly.

    Liberals create government beauracracy like bats create guano. Every liberal administration leaves a trail of new government agencies in its wake.

    Each of those government agencies does two things: spends my money and tells me what to do.

    And guess who I don't like:

    1. People who take my money.
    2. People who tell me what to do.

    I don't like government and I don't like the liberals who create it.

    I put up with government because a small government is necessary to protect against the imposition of a more offensive government.
     
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  14. yo-yo

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    #34
    Any statistics to share in support of this?

    What an awful nightmare that would be.

    Not all liberals are for welfare and high taxes... are they? :confused:

    So then your not a fan of the Dept. of homeland security right? :D
     
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  15. Will.Spencer

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    #35
    Unfortunately, we do not have a statistically accurate method of measuring "lazy" and we do not test adults for "stupid."

    However, I have a lifetime of experience with large corporations and government and know the ins and outs quite well.

    For example, a friend of mine runs a major portion of a multi-billion dollar firm which has been downsizing. He has had to layoff many Directors and Managers -- but has not been allowed to layoff minorities and women. Now all he has in the way of Directors and Managers are the incompetents who the HR departmentment would not allow him to get rid of.

    And we wonder why American industry can't compete internationally?

    Note: The situation is much worse in government.

    Would you care to elaborate on your particular hatred for Ms. Rice?

    Is the pope catholic? Those have been the tenets of liberalism since the reign of Franklin Delano Rooosevelt.

    Actually, that one (in theory) merged serveral existing agencies which (in theory) should save taxpayer dollars.

    However, I am not a fan of the Department of Homeland Security for a wholly different set of reasons. The vast majority of the DHS organization are useless departments that provide no actual public good.

    DHS was created, at least in theory, in response to this war with the Islamists. In this war, defense is impossible and useless -- it is a waste of resources. It simply cannot be done and it is foolhardy and childish to pretend otherwise. The only defense is a good offense, and DHS has no offensive capability. Instead of wasting time harassing Americans here at home, we should be devoting our resources to killing Islamists over there. Less airport screeners, more daisy cutters.
     
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    #36
    My friend, now you are addressing restraints of freedom that have been imposed on us by liberals, not conservatives. The liberals represent the politically correct crowd in the USA. I think the vast majority of Americans hate these restraints of freedom as much as you do.

    As a law-abiding American, there isn't a single right or freedom that I have lost under President Bush. It basically comes down to giving the government more ability to go after the bad guys (which was stripped away by the liberal politicians), and that is who he has targeted. I really don't understand the paranoia on the left and their compulsion to protect the rights of criminals and terrorosts over those of good citizens.

    It was the liberals who had over the years stripped the CIA and FBI of the ability to effectively monitor terrorist groups. John Kerry led the charge in the 1990s to dismantle the CIA, and when he couldn't do that, he did everything he could to cut their budget. He was also one of the first in line to blame them for not doing a better job of targeting terrorists.

    At one point, all of our e-mails were all being monitored during the Clinton administration under a program called Carnivore. I agreed with the program because it was designed to detect terrorist messages.

    Another Clinton era program called ECHELON allowed the Brits and USA to monitor all radio telephone calls worldwide. It was very effectively tracking Bin Laden in the 1990s until the liberal Washington Post newspaper exposed the program and Bin Laden stopped using cell phones and satelite phones.

    These programs were randomly monitoring mainstream Americans and no one blamed Clinton. If Bush tried anything that came even close to these programs, he would be slaughtered by the liberal press. The double standard that exists with these so-called losses of privacy is beyond belief. If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear from these programs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(FBI)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

    He, he! That would not be politically correct.
     
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  17. latehorn

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    #37
    That comment may had raised some sort of understanding if people like Korey Rowe and Alex Jones was placed on Gitmo.
     
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    #38
    Well since minorities and women have it so easy here in america, I was hoping you could back it up.. with say a statistic.. that showed something to the tune of what % of minorities make better than middle class livings?

    She's a proven liar. Once a liar always a liar.

    Something to the tune of "Nobody ever thought planes could be used as weapons" after recieving numerous reports from officials and governments saying planes were going to be used as weapons :cool: . She's completely incompetent.
     
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    #39
    TechEvangelist,

    I oppose those "big brother" policies more than anything, and I'd fight just to have those abolished. I'd rather have terrorists about than oppress the population of your own country, by listening to everyone's emails and radio messages.

    But if it was a proper collective revolution, they'd be no form of power. People could try and establish a dictatorship, but it'd cause another revolution, and would keep on doing so until no one dare bother attempting again.

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  20. Will.Spencer

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    I really don't care who listens, I just don't want to pay for it.

    Listen all you want. La la la la la. If I don't want you to listen, I'll use end-to-end encryption.

    Just don't spend tax dollars on it.

    Use tax dollars on the military, that's what the terrorists will respond to.
     
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