I think most Christians have shown that they can co-exist without strapping a bomb to their chest. You should talk to the other party.
I never said Bart Ehrman is a reference for me, but I was suggesting you should look into his works, but it sounds you are already familiar with him. I believe I have addressed the passages you came with successfully, I won't do it again, because I'm human, i can't take 3-4 people at the same time in 2 different threads. I understand why you think Jesus is God, but it's a mistake by you, Jesus never told you he is God, nor did he ask you to worship him, and that is what I highlighted by using your own books. Regards SP
Oh, well you recommended Bart Ehrman books as though he backed your points. While he does disagree with a lot of the bibles teachings I don't think he falls in line with you very closely. Fair enough, I think my work here is done. I just wanted to touch on the idea that "Christians don't even understand what the bible teaches" mentality. While that is partially true for a good percentage of people that call themselves Christians. Even athiests (as seen in this thread) can understand why Christians believe the way they do. You might be the only one in the world who has taken the angle I have seen you take in this thread. Interesting, but not accurate. You may or may not see me back in this section. I left it quite a while ago back when Politics were the hot topic because there was too much circling. Same threads, different words that got monotonous. The other threads seem to be similar. "Muslims are women beaters" and "Christians are retards" is about all I see... later!
Just so you know, Suicide bombing is not allowed in Islaam. Some ignorant Muslims try to "add" this to Islaam, same way some men have "added" to the message of Jesus. Regards SP
I think that is a totally different discussion. I think it is pretty ironic though that the preacher in Texas who was going to have a "Quran burning night" was given hundreds of death threats from self-proclaiming Muslims. I think he made an example that the Muslim religion is not a religion of peace. There seems to be more Muslims speaking out in violence for their faith than those self-proclaiming that it is a peaceful religion. Heck, the only ones I have really heard about that are really pushing about how Islam is so peaceful are people like Oprah Winfrey and Whoopi Goldberg and they aren't even Muslims!
It seems you have been owned so badly, you are now resorting to spreading propaganda, that's not very surprising. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever kills himself with something in this world will be punished with it on the Day of Resurrection.†Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5700; Muslim, 110. You must understand that a Muslim and Islaam are 2 different things, Islaam is the religion, and the Muslim is the follower, you can't judge Islaam by the actions of certain Muslims. You judge the religion, not the followers, because the follower is a human that makes mistakes, and you can't pick on that mistake and attribute it to the religion. Just like we don't judge Jesus for what so called followers do. As for Pastor Jones, one of my brothers challenged him for a debate, he refused. He is a very ignorant man, burning the Qur'aan will get Christianity nowhere, if he is man enough he should debate like a man, and not burn books like an idiot. He is also a liar, so be warned, the man lies a lot, and hopefully he will be exposed for what he is, good thing he is hated world wide.
Oh, I think Jones is a retard myself. I think if you are going to change anyone's opinion you have to do it in love. However, the fact that he felt compelled to get a body guard because of all the death threats tells me something.
The argument between Muslims and Christians is like an argument between two persons with IQ of 55 and 56 about who is smarter. They are both morons by any standard but they are too stupid to get it.
It tells you there are some ignorant Muslims out there, because the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever kills one with whom we have a covenant will not smell the scent of Paradise.†[Sahih Muslim] And those living in the USA for instance have a covenant with the government, and are not allowed to kill anyone. Similarly outside a covenant, we only fight those who fight us in self defense: “And fight in the way of Allaah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allaah likes not the transgressors†Muslims are humans that make mistakes, do commit sins, and some (not all) are following the people of old who used to deviate from what their religion taught. Al-Bukhaari and Muslim reported on the authority of Abu Sa`eed al-Khudri, may Allaah be pleased with him, that Allaah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “You will follow the errors of your predecessors so completely and literally that if they should go into the hole of a lizard, you would follow them.†The people asked: “O Allaah’s Messenger! Do you mean (by ‘your predecessors’) the Jews and the Christians?†He (peace be upon him) replied, “Who else?†That's why you should ignore the actions of the Muslims and look at what the religion says. Regards SP
I guess you omitted a lot of names include President Bush nd Obama. http://www.religionnewsblog.com/1198/bush-says-islam-is-peaceful-faith http://matzav.com/obama-islam-is-a-great-religion-but-needs-to-isolate-those-who-have-distorted-it
good way to claim you aren't belong to this category! but you shouldn't annoy your friends, then you will be totally alone! adversely I found them smarter than!
I can't understand why clever people with an internet access can fight about this things.All religions tell the same things to everybodies. If a God exists is one and is the same for everybody. I'm Christian (for tradition in my country we are all Christian-Italy), but i read the Corano too and i saw there are no big differences between religions. “The religion teaches peace, justice, fairness and tolerance. All of us recognise that this great religion cannot justify violence,†he added. All religions teaches these things.
Sure, they are similar in many aspects. But there is 1 fundamental difference between all religions and Islaam, and that is monotheism. SP
The difference is Jesus and who he is and what he did. It's impossible to be a Christian if you don't believe on Christ.
Judaism and Christianity have nothing to do with Abraham. And the concept of monotheism in Islaam does not mean to believe in 1 God, it is far greater than that, so don't be so hasty to attack me with the greatest source of information (wikipedia). SP
Really, Islam is just modified version of Judaism. They are almost the same religion just look at religious laws and customs which have different names but same BS. The odd one out is Christianity because it is a combination of Judaism with old Pagan religions.
Nobody denies the similarities between the 3 religions, because all Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all)come with the same religion, they only differ in certain laws and ways. Judaism and Christianity have divine origins but men have altered the real and authentic religions of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to find this out. Why did some people edit the scripture? because they were devils, bad wicked people. As Allaah the Most High says: "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, "This is from Allâh," to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby. "(Qur'aan 2:79) So in short Christianity and Judaism are fabricated religions, they took from what was revealed to Abraham, Moses and Jesus and changed it. And we have both Qur'aan and historical evidence of the corruption of the bible. Despite the distortion of the real religion of Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all) we still find there are remains of the original teaching e.g.: Mathew 26:39 : Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed. ^ That's how Muslims pray, and indeed Jesus was Muslim as were all the previous prophets and messengers. So the "modified" argument does not work, we already acknowledge it is modified from a previous religion, but no! they are not modified from Judaism and Christianity, because the latter 2 are off shoot sects of the religion of Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all),if that makes sense. And praise be to Allaah the Most High who has given us this knowledge. Furthermore, it's normal for a religion to be abrogated by another one, e.g. the Torah was revealed to Moses by Allaah the Mighty and Majestic, when Jesus (peace be upon him) came, the Jews had to give up the Torah because it had been abrogated by God with the Gospel that Jesus (peace be upon him) came with, and finally when Muhammed (peace be upon him) came, his laws, which are Qur'aan and Sunnah, abrogated that which Jesus came with. There were some people who did not abandon their religion. Why did the people not abandon their religion when a new Messenger/Prophet came? Because, they were stubborn, hard headed, arrogant, jealous and various other reasons. The Jews and Christians are making 3 major mistakes: 1. The religions of Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them) were only for a specific nation, e.g. Jesus (peace be upon him) came for the lost sheep of Israel, not for all of mankind, this you can still find in the bible: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 2. They are following corrupted religions, that have deviated from their true teachings, you will also find that amongst themselves they have splintered off into more factions, groups, parties, sects etc. 3. They are following abrogated religions, they Jews should have stopped following their religion and start follow Jesus (peace be upon him), and Christians should stop following Jesus(peace be upon him) and follow Muhammed (peace be upon him). These 3 errors ^, violate monotheism (according to Islaam) and therefore Christians and Jews are not monotheistic, and therefore they are not Abrahamic, it is merely a claim. The last and final messenger is Muhammed (peace be upon him) and his laws abrogate all that came before, albeit that they are similar laws. Muhammed (peace be upon him) also differs with regards to who he was sent to, in this case he has been sent to ALL of mankind and not just e.g. the Arabs. "And with truth We have sent it down (i.e. the Qur'ân), and with truth it has descended. And We have sent you (O Muhammad [peace be upon him]) as nothing but a bearer of glad tidings (of Paradise, for those who follow your Message of Islâmic Monotheism), and a warner (of Hell-fire for those who refuse to follow your Message of Islâmic Monotheism). (Qur'aan 17:105) SP
He wasn´t send to me and if he says that he was then he lies. Mohammad learned somethings from Jews during his travels and then gave it to his people with some modification. He was a smart and an extra ordinary man but that is all. There is no God and there is no prophet.