In the Name of Allaah the Most Gracious the Most Merciful I bear witness that there is non that has the right to be worshiped except Allaah, the One, having no partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger To Proceed: Thank you for clarifying that your God (Jesus) did indeed eat, drink, sleep and defecate.If that's the kind of God you want to worship, that's up to you. With regard to John 14:11, then this does not prove Jesus is God. Pay attention. Let's look at John 17:18-23: 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. Jesus Prays for All Believers 20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. So what is Jesus saying in the highlighted text above? He is clearly saying that he prayed for those who believe in him to be "one" and that they may be in "us" meaning God and Jesus, he further says "I in them, and you in me"..so the big question is..does everyone become God? No! .. This refutes John 14:11, which does not mean that Jesus is God, its most likely a metaphor. Have you ever seen an arabic bible, Allaah is used instead of God, "God" is the new term you guys came up with. The Hebrew bible uses "eloh" or elohim" if i'm correct, and this sounds very much like "Allaah", they sound similar because Arabic & Hebrew are sister languages. Also Jesus spoke Aramaic, not English, where is the aramaic bible? To reiterate "Allaah" (the name) is not new, rather "God" is. All the prophet were Muslim, it's people like you who corrupt the message they convey to us. Noah's ark has been found in the location specified in the Quraan, and the bible got it wrong: [video=youtube;rIzyxDr3j44]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIzyxDr3j44[/video] Jesus, looks more like a Muslim than a Christian, he had a beard, he prayed like Muslims do (this is in the bible), he fasted like Muslims do (this is in the bible), he got circumcised. All these things Jesus do you find the Muslims doing them, but Christians don't, coincidence? I don't think so. Check any picture of Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and she's wearing a headscarf. So, yes Jesus resembles us, not you. And all prophets and messengers, were Muslims, their books get lost and distorted over time, this is the nature of man, they like to add something here, and take away something there, but Allaah promised to preserve the Quraan, and it has been for 1400 years +, unlike Christians we have the original. The religion for mankind has been perfected on Muhammed peace be upon him , meaning that all the previous religions had something missing, and when Muhammed came the last and the seal of the Prophets and Messengers it has been perfected. ""Today I have perfected your religion and completed my bounty upon you, and I was satisfied that Islam be your religion.4:59 Translated from a translation = Quality loss. The Christians cannot agree on what the bible is, does it consist of so many books, or this many books? The bible came after Jesus, why was it not here at the time of Jesus. We find that some authors have no last name (correct me if I'm wrong). Also the codex sinaticus which has been found recently shows that is it different from today's bible, check here: The Rival to The Bible In case you don't want to read the bbc's article: [video=youtube;jHghltIh1FM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHghltIh1FM[/video] Regards SP
I need gas mask , cuz this post is wreaking of rotten intelligence . Even a 12 year old wouldn't believe him .
I need pork fried rice instead of popcorn now. I'll be in the kitchen to heat up my sweet and sour pork to go with the fried rice.
Popotalk: "Im Bhuddhist" Popotalk: "Im not Bhuddhist" No disrespect, but can you clarify what you are? Regards SP
Before I get into the details of this, you would need to understand that God came in the flesh form (son of God). Eating, drinking etc are all requirements for our bodies. God came into flesh, just like us to allow for salvation; therefore, he required the same needs as us in the body form. Any human would not be able to stand or face God in his complete powerful entity directly. Remember Moses? He even had to shield his face because our bodies are not able to withstand. Food, drinks, sleep all belong to earth and not heaven. Not at all but I totally understand why you would think he is a prophet. Phrases like sent me, message might get you confused. Its hard for you to accept right now because you are like at God from one dimension but God is son, father and holy spirit. The son was talking to the father and it was a message for the acceptance and salvation of the world. Don't make any assumption but look at the new testament as a whole. Remember, Jesus did not want to reveal his full identity to people because salvation had to occur but the people were to blind to relate the old testament prophecies with what they've witnessed. He spoke in parables and only gave the full explanation to his disciples. Perhaps this will clear your issues - I call it the great confession of Peter. "When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets." "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven." ...... Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah. Matthew 16:13 I don't need to give you an explanation to the above verse. Its pretty much self-explanatory. Again, see how Jesus did not want them to tell anyone? That is what you should be looking for. There is big difference between a regular man, a prophet and the son of God! If you still on your point that Jesus is not God, then answer me this: - Can a prophet forgive sins? - Can a prophet claim he is the truth, way and life? - Can a prophet rise from the dead? Yes, God's translation in Arabic is Allaah. What does this prove? The bible was not written in Arabic nor Arabic existed back then. The bible was written in Hebrew. Translations is just for the sake of different backgrounds of people understanding the text. Languages develop all the time. Hebrew existed way before Arabic, so I could argue that Allaah in Arabic is just a derivation from the hebrew text, meaning that your Allah phrase is not original. Wait? I thought Mohammed came to spread the message of Islam. So who gave the previous prophets the message? Get me a phrase from the old testament or any book for that matter that mentions Islamic prophets in the old testament. You are only saying they were Muslim because that is what you were taught but you have no evidence to support. No, a youtube video will only weaken your argument. Fasting, Praying, Circumcision etc... all existed way long before Islam. Faithful Christians do them. Where do you get your Christian views from? O' Dear. All I can say is that I will pray for you to know the truth, perhaps you may be blessed one day. "And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd " I don't quite understand your question. Why does time matters? The disciples and their writings were guided by the holy spirit. May God bless you, Luke,
In the Name of Allaah, the most Gracious The Most Merciful. To Proceed: No need to get into details, we know very well that your alleged God used to eat, drink and defecate, why would God want to lower himself like this? Is there no other way to salvation to kill his alleged "begotton son"? I wonder how you explain this doctrine to children. While I agree that we are too weak to see God, this does not mean God has to lower himself to the form of a man, because the minute he does that he no longer is God. This has nothing to do with confusion, there is not a single quote from Jesus where he said "I'm God", does this not ring alarm bells? You have a low opinion of God, according to you Jesus was hiding his identity?! Jesus was here to save people, meaning informing them of the oneness of God, and that they should worship him alone, so that they may be saved from hell. NOT as you say "He was hiding his identity" why Jesus has to be so vague and unclear, is he not supposed to save people? Your story does not make sense once again. Like all previous passages you and other Christians on this forum bring, I'm going to explain this one too: 1. One of the answers given is that was given is a "prophet", this is evidence that people thought he was a prophet, you can't think something of someone unless that person has claimed it himself, and we find that the claim of him being a prophet has reached far and wide. 2. Then later Peter says he is the son of God, now did he say he is God, of course not, many people in the bible are named "Son of God", but it does not mean they are God,examples: - "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." << shall we know worship Israel? - "Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." << here David is not only called a son, but also that he is begotten!!!! There is more than that, be shall suffice with this. And in short it probably means "Servant of God".. All these passages you bring there is other ways to interpret them, this is why I always ask for the clear quote from Jesus where he said "I'm God". No a prophet can't, and as Jesus the prophet peace be upon him said: John 5:30 "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me." The point was that the name "Allaah" is not new, not that it is the name that always has been used. Besides Prophets were sent to nations would speak in their own language, not Arabic, but we find that the name used for God in Hebrew to be similar with the Arabic, and similar with the name Jesus used in Aramaic. I can also point to prophecies about Muhammed, peace be upon him in your own books, but you will probably interpret it in your own way. Yes that is what we have been taught in the Qur'aan, which clarifies the reality of all the previous prophets, your books won't tell you the real stories because they have been edited. It's no secret that the bible contains errors and is written by unknown men after Jesus. This is why the Qur'aan is correct on the location on Noah's ark, and the bible is wrong. Video footage is among the strongest evidence, it can be uploaded anywhere not just youtube. That was not the point, the point was that Jesus looks like us, not like Christians, this is a fact that you cannot hide from. Protestant Bible have 66 books & the Catholic Bible has 73 books. You mean Lucifer? --- Regards sP
And so Hitler wants to create an Aryan race and I look like the guy from Geico. What's the relevance. Your point is ?
The point is that Jesus is a Muslim, why? he looked like one & you can tell by the way he acts in the bible e.g. praying, fasting, no pork, etc. And ofcourse, the Qur'aan clarifies it even further for us. The point is that, the Christians cannot agree on what the bible is!!! is it 66 books or 73 books. In addition to this we have old bibles being NOT the same as the bibles we have in 2010.. see the BBC article I cited earlier. This all comes back to the fact that the message of Jesus has been changed, by a group of men (after Jesus) who claimed to have been inspired by God, they have been taking things away and adding things for centuries.
Like I said where do I fit in the equation. I'm either or but I believe in ONE CREATOR. I'm not an avid fan of the New Testament since other manuscripts where edited by the Vatican but do tell me honestly was the Koran written in Arabic or Hebrew.
Allaah the Mighty and Majestic informs us about our purpose of life: "And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and men except they should worship Me (alone)." [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56] All prophets and messengers were sent for this purpose, not for the purpose to merely believe in God: “And We have not sent before you any Messenger, except that We revealed to him that there is no deity worthy of worship except Me, so worship Me.†[Sooratul-Anbiyaa‘ 21:25] “And indeed We sent to every nation a messenger saying: Worship Allaah, and leave off the false deities.†[Sooratun-Nahl 16:36-37] Worship means to do everything that Allaah has legislated, for we only worship God by legislation, meaning we don't make acts of worship up out of thin air. Take note that the purpose of life is NOT to believe in God but to worship God alone. Examples of acts of worship; pray, fast, giving charity, being kind, and even going to work to provide for you family, and there is much more. Anyone who is not Muslim, (A Muslim is someone who submits to Allaah) and does not follow Islaam is doomed in the hereafter and will be punished with eternal hellfire. "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85] Qur'aan (The Recital) is literally the Speech of God, When you read it, you are reading God's words. This speech was heard by the Angel Gabriel, who has conveyed it to the Prophet Muhammed, (peace be upon him) in Arabic. And Muhammed conveyed it to mankind. The difference between Muhammed (peace be upon him), is that he was sent for ALL of mankind, unlike previous prophets who were sent to a specific nation or community, e.g. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, not for all of mankind. All other previous religions have not been lost or distorted, nevertheless they are abrogated by the Qur'aan and the Prophet's (peace be upon him) tradition, so they are no longer valid for anyone to follow.
Yesterday Allah has revealed himself to me and promised that there will be another messenger. He said that he's seriously considering to choose me.
ChaosTrivia hard job I think, for hint you have to read Islam history! you should ask help from Will Spencer! hope you won't start it from Iran, good luck!
You had me all wrong. I was talking and asking specifics but you qouted me on verses. Isn't GOD everywhere even in thin air ? I do worship a CREATOR of All Mankind. Most of us do that.... Did God said Muslim specifically ? Again a qoute. I don't even know who Imran is ? I see a lot of Imran here at DP ? Ok IN Arabic or Aramaic ? If it's Arabic then historians were wrong ? You have to do better than that in order to convince me.
I'm trying to explain things in detail so you understand better, all our knowledge comes from verses and the prophet's (peace be upon him) tradition, these are our references, I can't explain anything without references. No God is not everywhere, God is separate from creation (He himself is not created). He is High above his throne, which is above the 7 heavens. There is a barrier between us and God, making it unable for us to see him. Even from logic, God cannot be everywhere, because that would mean God is in the toilet, or under your shoe, or in dung, and that does not befit his Majesty. It is reported on the authority of Al-'Abbas (ra) that Allah's Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: "Do you know what is the distance between the heaven and the earth?" We said: "Allah and His Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) know best." He (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: "The distance between them is five hundred years and the distance between one heaven and the next is five hundred years and the dimension of each heaven would take five hundred years to travel and there is a sea between the seventh heaven and the Throne which has between its lowest and highest ends the distance equvalent to that between the heavens and the earth. And Allah , Most High, is above that and nothing is withheld from Him of the deeds of the sons of Adam." (Narrated by Abu Dawood and others) How do you worship him & How do you know how to worship him?Did you make these acts of worship up yourself, or is it prescribed for you by God? Yes, but there is a different, doing these acts of worship for God alone, or doing them for Jesus, or an Angel, a tree, a stone, a saint, etc... All acts of worship must be directed to God alone & these acts of worship have to be legislated by God, we can't make them up ourself. A Muslim by definition is someone who "submits" to the will of God. So anyone who does that is a Muslim. "It is He (Allâh) Who has named you Muslims"(Quran 22:78) That Muslim follows Islaam, and anyone who does not follow Islaam is of the losers in the hereafter: "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." (Quran 3:85) Ok, sorry for the confusion, "Aal Imraan" means the "Family of Imran", this is a title of one of the chapters in the Quraan..so the quote is from the Quraan. It was in Arabic, there are no historians who say the Quraan is Aramaic. I think you are getting it mixed up with Jesus who spoke Aramaic. Regards SP
We believe in the same God of Ibrahim (PBUH). That is why we say in each prayer: "Bless, O Allah, Muhammad and his people as Thou didst bless Abraham and his people. Thou art indeed Praiseworthy, the Exalted. Prosper, O Allah, Muhammad and his people as Thou didst prosper Abraham and his people. Thou art indeed Praiseworthy, the Exalted." We believe in the same God of Ibrahim, this religion has been sent to mankind in stages. It started from Ibrahim (PBUH) and then finally completed on Muhammad (PBUH). You your self in your Bible have a quote of Jesus (PBUH) in which he says: "I have many things to say on to you, but you can not bear them now, for He the spirit of truth shall come, He shall guide you towards the right path....." That He the spirit of truth is Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), its not any Holy Ghost. The name Judaism and Christianity have been give by people themselves. There is not a single word in Bible that says about Christianity. Jesus (PBUH) never heard about this word in his life, he never taught Christianity, he is not even aware of this word. Same with Judaism, the word Judaism was given by the people who were followers of Moses (PBUH), they themselves gave them this name. It was not given in the time of Moses (PBUH). We believe in all the prophets of Jews and all the prophets of Christians, but Jews and Christians don't believe in Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last and final messenger.
So basically and in simple terms that I can hide from your God. If I need to commit an adultery all I need is to go in the toilet or in a dungeon. So the God you speak can't be everywhere.