Appearance and reality

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by betaturn, Dec 26, 2010.

  1. ApocalypseXL

    ApocalypseXL Notable Member

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    #41
    Wow you can see what I post . Where's the I ignore everyone cuz I'm holier attitude ? If you run a simple calculus you'd see that i make far more post per day since i enjoy talking on DP .

    As for me being banned , not gonna happen , i respect the forum rules .
     
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  2. luke12

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    #42
    Although you think Muhammed was a prophet, you should also realize he was a human. Why would muslims always mention him along with God's name? Isn't that disrespectful to God himself?
    Here is another question for you, Who can you describe more: God or Muhammed?

    Do you really understand who you're worshiping betaturn?
     
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  3. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #43
    Praising the prophet does not amount to worship. He was human, we are aware of that.

    Unlike Christians, Our God is not one who sleeps, eats, drinks, defecates and kills his alleged son to save you from hell.

    "Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allâh, (the) One. (Al-Ikhlas 112:1)"
    "Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). (Al-Ikhlas 112:2)"
    "He begets not, nor was He begotten; (Al-Ikhlas 112:3)
    "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (Al-Ikhlas 112:4)"

    :)
     
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  4. popotalk

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    #44
    I'm Buddhist.
     
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  5. luke12

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    #45
    So you just described your God by making a comparison to Christianity which also reflects your weak knowledge about the Christian faith.
    Let me put it this way, did our God eat, sleep, drink, defecates in the old testament? Of course not! This tells you the different nature of God in the new testament as described the son of God in flesh. Hint: start with the Holy Trinity
     
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  6. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #46
    Not in the old testament.

    But according to you Jesus was God in the new testament, even though he never claimed to have been God. If you say the body was not God, only the soul, then who was speaking on the cross saying "Why has thou forsaken me"?
     
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    #47
    His own son? How many Gods does Christian have? You should say, he sacrificed himself. 3 = 1? 1 = 3?
     
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  8. ApocalypseXL

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    #48
    Ya Jesus is son of The Father and there is only One God .

    [​IMG]

    Quantum Physics proven :p
     
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  9. IsraeI

    IsraeI Peon

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    #49
    Make sure you reply to my latest question Luke, don't run away.

    @ Jimmy Page: Christians have 3 Gods, but they will tell you they are 3 in 1, furthermore there is zero evidence for these Gods.
     
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    #50
    Ya you guys have all the logical proof in the world . 71 virgins much ?
     
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    #51
    What I have is Faith. I think that what matters. If so ever I would be judged at the end of time then so be it. Everyone has each his/her own belief.
     
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  12. IsraeI

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    #52
    Do you believe in God?
     
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  13. betaturn

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    #53
    We worship Allah alone. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the last and final messenger of Allah. No other messenger will come after him. The religion has been completed on him. We believe and respect all the messengers before him including Jesus (PBUH), Moses (PBUH), Ibrahim (PBUH), Lute (PBUH), Dawood (PBUH) and all other which you also believe.
    But you call Jesus (PBUH) as a Son of God, that is a blasphemy. Jesus (PBUH) is a prophet just like other prophets but you modified his teachings and books just for worldly gains and started calling him son of God. Jesus (PBUH) himself never said he is God and worship him but you attributed that to him. He used to worship God himself.
     
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    #54
    Wait, so we have one muslim claiming we have modified the bible to fit our needs and the other is claiming there is no evidence in the bible to support our beliefs. Interesting, which is it? Maybe you guys should get together before approaching luke12. :)
     
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    #55
    How about BOTH.

    Even though the bible has been going through heavy editing by men for centuries, there is still not 1 quote from Jesus in there where he said "I'm God", that is a miracle.

    $1,000,000 for anyone who can find a quote from Jesus where he said "I'm God"

    :)

    Regards.

    SP
     
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    #56
    as Popotalk said he/she is Buddhist. they talk about Nirvana but not as a creator. so no God as we believe.

    yeah right, these Bibles didn't write by Jesus. so if they mentioned he told I'm God, can't rely on I guess.
     
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    #57
    Why is Mo the last prophet ? Did God ran out of prophets ? Are you saying that Allah can't make any more prophets ? See to call God incapable of making prophets is blasphemy . And that is by your very own arguments .

    Now you owe me your family welfare checks for the next 50 years .
     
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  18. luke12

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    #58
    The body is God in flesh as seen in the new testament. He had to come in the body form for our salvation. The shedding of blood on the cross from Christ's body was the salvation and the biggest sacrifice. God's nature is described by the holy trinity as a whole. You cannot separate God's entity by saying he was only the body, only soul or only father.
    Yes, Jesus claimed he was God - read carefully and you'll understand. Plus, Who can forgive sins? Not a human, prophet or even an angel - only God can forgive sins.

    "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves." John 14:11
     
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    #59
    Which religion has been completed? As far as I am concerned, Muhammed was the first and last Islamic prophet. There were no signs of Islam or Muhammed before he came along. Nobody even knew anything about Islam or Allah. Your God did not even give the slightest hint about Islam to all the previous prophets that you believe in like Ibrahim, Moses, etc. Why not? Why wait all these thousands of years?
    So what completion are we talking about here exactly?



    I answered same question above to Solarproduct. How can you be so sure that we modified the bible? I really want that golden proof that we have modified the bible, lets see what you get. I will wait for your comments.
     
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    #60
    Don't want or mean to offend anyone. Just a question to luke.
    Is the Bible complete with proof or are there any proof that were disregarded ?
     
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