Honor killings, Apartheid, and Modern Day India

LMAO, owned I would say, aw report?

I'll give you the template:

I Abomination created a thread with the intent have a digg at Helvetii, as Helvetii owns me quite a bit in other threads (see obamanation video) so I feel my actions are just... Anyways my thread was about "Honour killing, apartheid and mordern day India", which was going fine and I was anticipating a response from Helvetii until the user Toopac entered my thread and basically said it is shocking that these things go on in India but that my version of apartheid that I asserted takes away from real apartheid situations like South Africa and current day Israel, which is not useful to my propaganda and also kind of owns me in a thread I made to get back another who owned me - Both The user Toopac and Helvetii are terrorising me so can you please add an infraction point and remove the post that are not compatible with my propaganda Thanks user - Abomination

Owned x2.

 

Owned 3x. LoL

Owned 4x.

Now seriously though, the last week has been very hard for him and his likes. They had a free run in this place turning it into a shithole with their propaganda for almost an year. This is why people look down upon P&R section, because of people like them who resort to attacks, ad hominems, reports and abuses when someone doesn't agree with them.

This last week when some members finally decided to waste their time to expose their lies, propaganda, deceits and tricks and owned them in several threads, the response is not surprising at all.

1) Apocalypse had to "hit the road" when asked tough questions
2) Will Spencer disappeared after being exposed and humiliated.
3) Obamanation - this guys got persistence, bitterness and no shame. After finally being owned he resorted to trolling and when further humiliated just abandoned those threads to make new attacking propaganda type threads and reported the crao out of previous threads to get posts deleted and threads locked.
4) ThePeoplesSEO: This guy never had anything to add to any discussion other than personal attacks and name calling so nothings changed.

 

I agree, from a legislative standpoint, your country has taken aggressive steps to eliminate the problem. I suppose the real problem is that you can't legislate away bigotry, which is why many of these laws are rarely enforced.

I read the posts of a 19 year old Indian boy on this forum, and he actively denies the social stigma of caste remains with more than 70 percent of your population. He denies the 1000 honor killings per year in India, despite the fact the news video in the original post states this statistic clearly in the first 15 seconds. He quotes Hitler as if he were a wise councilor, and he disparages those of lower castes on this very forum. Instead of acknowledging the problem, he tries to attack the messenger by changing the subject.

Bigotry is like a socially contagious disease, often handed down from parents to their children. In America, it seems every new generation has less of it than the previous, but it takes several generations to diminish. Given the example of the young Indian mentioned above, it seems the youngest generation in India still actively promoting bigotry. If he is at all representative, I fear India may be at least half a century away from achieving the integration levels that currently exist in the US(and we have a ways to go), despite the fact India has a much more homogenous population.

What do I expect you to do about it? Certainly not stop fighting terrorism. That would be like kicking your dog because your mother-in-law hates you. Personally, I think putting a spotlight on the problem helps.

Muslims are to blame for Indian caste based honor killings? Muslims are to blame for caste based bigotry, oppression, and apartheid? Wow. Something tells me a village somewhere is missing is idiot.


[Edit]@Helvetii: Aww, you've made a friend of toothpic. How cute!

 

I've seen those tactics for a number of years lol

 

My dear bro!
I don't know exacly what this sentence means but I trust you as usual.

My knowledge about India isn't much but yeah you are right Indian have harsh attitude toward untouchables and also unfair marriage condition and also some other things that aren't comply with modern world values. India passed some good laws to prevent them but as you know change in culture and point of views need time.
USA is one of the best countries about diminish prejudice and respect human rights and also has good laws about equality but as you know not all the Americans have good feeling about Spanish and so on, law isn't everything.
Look what happened for Romans in France.

You have seen that change in attitude/point of views need time, you occupied Afghanistan Iraq and done your ultimate power for they comply democracy and respect international values but what was the result. I accept their progressed a lot but anyway can't change people in one day!
in India we can see so verity cultures and races with a lot of strange things I guess. many different faiths and believes and also superstitions! yeah incredible India (as that TV advertisement).

Anyway I see India goes in right path and need time.

yeah right, not much ears in USA willing to hear such voices when Indian have harmless attitude toward western people.

 

Do you know why it is so difficult, just compare the population of USA and India. Trust me buddy, if you send your favourite obama here he won't be able to earadicate those flaws in a short time. In such a huge population where literacy rates are already very low, we have more problems to handle. With many efforts a govt. can literate a small % but more than 40% is difficult. In our case, backwardness grows exponentially due the popualtion and high % of illetracy. Also be informed that those people are not willing to develop. Its practically difficult.

 

Have you ever been in USA or do you base your opinion from the movies that you watch?

If democracy was so important for USA then why do they have the school of America with sole purpose of teaching torture to south American officers which then use it in their country to keep different USA friendly dictators in power?

 

Say it with me now, "DOWN WITH AMERICA, DOWN WITH AMERICA!". Gworld, where have you been man? This place hasn't been the same since you left. Helvetii has tried to step up and fill your shoes as community troll, but its just not the same coming from someone who despises the poor in his own country. Welcome back man. Say it with me again, "DOWN WITH AMERICA, DOWN WITH AMERICA!".

To complete the scene, I feel like we need to be dressed in rags, surrounded in squalor, holding our AKs high and burning an American flag....

I would never wish that on you, or anyone. He would single handedly double your debt, give most of the money to his political supporters, and try and tell you it was progress.

I 100% agree with you about the scope of the problem, but I would ad one thing. There are those amongst you who are OK with the system as it is, who idealize it, and absolutely do not want change. When Helvetii goes on about how his maid and his servants make pennies per hour and live in absolute squalor, and how that is a great thing that should be exported to the US, do you really think he supports changing it? When he rattles on about Dalit's having more opportunities in India than the other castes, you can hear his resentment of India's legislation to deal with the issue, even though his statement flies in the face of fact.

By targeting education, you are on the right track, but education of the poor will not be enough. It will take the middle class tearing down the ideals of bigotry that Helvetii stands for to bring about real change.

 

A lot of BS but still no answer about why a government that says want to export democracy to other countries, at a same time runs a school for teaching torture to different dictatorships in south America?

 

What has any of that got to do with the topic of the thread, which is the Caste system and apartheid against 260 million people worldwide, 160 million in India alone? Your response sounds like you would rather sweep that under the rug if it means we can speculate about the evils of the US government and its efforts to export Democracy. Say it with me now, "Screw those Dalits, DOWN WITH AMERICA!". You are truly a man of the people Gworld.

 

no I haven't been in USA so far.

if I wanted to follow American movies then should goes in different way.
never saw any movie maker like American who criticize their country. how much Russian or European made movie against their army. just look at movies made about Vietnam. see Oliver Stone movies.
Muslims can built their Mosque near NY trade center! what that means to you? I have seen Muslims who stand in center of New York and slogan against USA policy up load.
most of smart guys goes to America for boost their business. I guess this is secret of their success who let any body from any part of the world show his/her ability. in prejudice situation non of these foreigners could see success I think. just look at other countries.
in Iraq and Afghanistan we can see kind of democracy that couldn't image it for decades without American presence.

don't want to say everything American done was right but can't deny facts about them either.

I should read the Article.

 

enough said. It is very different than movies that you see in your country.

Actually smart guys go to Asia and your country to make money. Your country is filled with American companies that are trading through their European subsidiaries, invoicing to UAE. The real power in Iraq is your country and in Afghanistan the central government only controls capital and very limited areas, so I don´t think you know what you are talking about.
Read the article and learn, actions speak louder than words.

 

Okay so you made a lot of BS claims and threw insults and accusations around. But you know what? I dispute I ever said any of that. I claim that you are a liar aimed at slandering people who don't agree with you.

Now since I dispute all of that nonsense, the onus of proving that I made those statements along with direct quotes is upto you. Do it or expose your self as a liar and slanderer yet again.

So stating a fact that "the 160 million oppressed" have more opportunities thanks to 50% qouta in a nation of billion which automatically means that they have more opportunities makes me bigoted? LOL

Its crystal clear that you made this thread out of frustration and bitterness to get an opportunity to slander me with baseless accusations. So typical of you.

In my class and college we have 50% "untouchables" as you put it, everyone sits on the same benches, uses the same library books and same toilets. No one has a problem with, not 1 out of the 30,000 students at my university. I had to get 93% in my entrance exams to make it to the college I'm in but "the oppressed" made it in with as low as 45%. But somehow they are discriminated

When I used to live with my parents (in company owned block) 12 out of the 16 flats in those blocks were housed by "the oppressed". Most of them were less qualified than my dad but were still senior to him because they got their promotions based on quotas. But somehow still they are oppressed.

No one is oppressed here and its only organizations like "the dalit foundation" which label normal crimes as hate crimes that stand to benefit from spreading propaganda which helped them lobby for increasing reservations from 22%(which was fair) to 49%. Regarding the few honour killings they are as much of a problem as in the ROW, atleast we identify and punish it unlike some countries.

Read into this what you will:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/WE-AR...ACKWARD-SECTIONS-IN-UNIVERSITIES/364372767530
http://www.facebook.com/pages/We-hate-reservation-quota/123916064309185
http://www.facebook.com/AntiReservation
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-reservationquota-system-in-India/126325937380023
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=101426039909470

The only one being oppressed and discriminated is the supposedly "higher cast"

So you mean your daughter is less bigoted than you even though you told me some months back that the government tried to take her away from you and put her in foster care because of your mental health issues when you showed up at a democrat rally armed to the teeth? I don't think you would be very happy about the truth being out in the open

 

situation changed after sanctions.
I was talking about people not companies. many Iranian moved to USA and have good business there same as Indian and other nations there. you can't see such things in Iran.

this situation will change I think or hope so.

 

@babak: You should see how black people in US are still in poverty and are forced to live in "ghettos". If you look at the maps of any US country you'll notice that blacks and whites don't stay in the same area. Further more people in government schools are black, what does that tell you? And then people like Obamanation hate their first black president so much speaks of his bigotry. They go with automatic rifles to his rallies to try and scare his supporters and "send a message".

Shocking racial Segregation in US cities: (Dynamic Diagrams - Must see)

http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/tourstop1detroit.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/tourstop2rustbelt.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/tourstop3southern.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/tourstop5asian.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~lawrace/tourstop4small.htm

So sad that 12% of US population is racially segregated

And imagine, these people just ignore this kind of disgusting racism in their backyard.


Same with Jews, since you like movies a lot I'd give the example of Steven Spielberg he went on record saying that he faced a lot of anti-semitism in his childhood. Its apparently a common problem on all campuses in US as cited by a 2006 report. If young americans are so hateful I can only imagine what the next few years would be like.

 

Situation has not changed after sanctions, the Americans companies are pushing European companies out of that market. There are many Iranians in Iran who are much richer than people who went to States and many of your people lost everything after moving to States. Who do you think Changed the government of your country in 1979? Have you heard about the green belt of Islam which was supposed to stop soviet from reaching Persian Gulf?

 

Phew, take a chill pill guys.

Obamanation, I know there are thousands of flaws in India but only a 'minority' of super elite want the system unchanged. An overwhelming majority wants everyone to benefit from the booming economy. As Laxman mentioned and you agreed, a major obstacle in speedy removal of caste based prejudices is the population. Unless the majority of our population becomes literate, caste based discrimination will continue to flourish in the rural countryside in India. (Steps are being taken in the right direction, including the recently announced Right to education act)If you're in a big or small city in India, caste is irrelevant - no one asks and no one cares. We, the fortunate ones with education, want this discrimination to end and the government is overzealous in this initiative (though their motive really is to have a votebank)

 

Even Obamanation doesn't care, how dare you post facts in his propaganda hate thread?!!

He doesn't even know the C of caste system, he tells me that we in the north are fairer so we discriminate against the people from south who have funny accents. While the reality is that there is no caste system in the south and they are more educated and prosperous than people in the north. The American nemesis banaglore is also in the south.

Whatever little caste discrimination happens in villages with 40 populations happens within north and is comparable to hate crimes in US. More and more reservations doesn't solve this inexistent problem. Its all votebank politics.

Anyways since reality beats him and the only purpose of this thread was to get back at me after I owned him I think its folly to try and talk sense to the cretin.

He gets all his information from Fox news.

[video=youtube;JBA61YrA68Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBA61YrA68Q[/video]

 

This coming from an Indian who's country treat women as livestick, for the sole purpose of selling them for dowry's. A country with a billion people and the majority still lives in huts near dead body infested rivers... In the American ghettos people live in houses, and not even close as bad as the slums of India...

 

When you consider that more than 70% of your population lives in these rural areas where Caste still plays an active role, and that the upper castes make up a small percentage of the whole, it is not difficult to believe that most want change. It is also not difficult to believe that some(many?) of the minority of families making up the upper caste do not. I'm not trying to say that being born to an upper caste makes you a de-facto bigot, but watching Helvetii jump up and down in an effort to deny the problem exists, tells me that the bigotry is still alive and well and it isn't just limited to an old and dying generation.

Take this quote for instance:

One has to wonder if the guy didn't bother didn't read any of the links or news reports provided in this very thread, if he is just being willfully ignorant because he hates Dalits, or if he's just a bit slow on the uptake. Earlier he was disputing the honor killings statistics which were clearly presented in the first 15 seconds of the video that started the thread. I guess what I'm getting at is, creating laws and quotas doesn't get rid of the bigots, it just forces them to be a bit more discreet about it.

@helvetii: If colleges really do have to accept entrance exam scores as low as 45% to some sort of representation from the lowest castes, it seems clear the plight of these people is still very desperate. Politics aside, I know Republicans and Democrats alike were thrilled to have crossed a mile stone of having a black man occupy the highest office in America. Considering blacks represent a much smaller percentage of our population than the lower castes do of yours, and that it takes 50% of the popular vote to win a presidential election in the US, it is/was a much larger hurdle to clear than winning a parliamentary election. Given the sheer quantity of these "untouchables" (160 million), and India's parliamentary system of government perhaps there is hope you will have a Dalit prime minister in the next decade. It will still likely be a century until they enjoy the level of equality blacks enjoy in America today. Bigotry doesn't die, but given enough time, bigots do, even young ones.