Bets - will Menj1980 answer a simple question?

Ah, I knew this would happen...an MENJ bashing thread Gee, guys, I am flattered. And my answer remains the same: all will come in due time.

- MENJ

 

I've been waiting 2 weeks on that dhimmi article too.

 

I'm over 9, so forget it.

 

And while we are waiting for Menj...

"Glass Houses". We all know the adage, "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." When you hear someone say something to the effect that "muslims don't treat their women well," then it's time to say, "Oh, and Americans do?" Here are some statistics on spousal (or significant other) abuse, murder, and rape that men commit against their women partners, here in America, in the twenty-first century.



VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES

MURDER . Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence, the euphemism for murders and assaults by husbands and boyfriends. That's approximately 1,400 women a year, according to the FBI. The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.

BATTERING . Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.

SEXUAL ASSAULT . Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.

THE TARGETS . Women are 10 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate. Young women, women who are separated, divorced or single, low- income women and African-American women are disproportionately victims of assault and rape. Domestic violence rates are five times higher among families below poverty levels, and severe spouse abuse is twice as likely to be committed by unemployed men as by those working full time. Violent attacks on lesbians and gay men have become two to three times more common than they were prior to 1988.

IMPACT ON CHILDREN . Violent juvenile offenders are four times more likely to have grown up in homes where they saw violence. Children who have witnessed violence at home are also five times more likely to commit or suffer violence when they become adults.

IMPACT ON HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES . Women who are battered have more than twice the health care needs and costs than those who are never battered. Approximately 17 percent of pregnant women report having been battered, and the results include miscarriages, stillbirths and a two to four times greater likelihood of bearing a low birth weight baby. Abused women are disproportionately represented among the homeless and suicide victims. Victims of domestic violence are being denied insurance in some states because they are considered to have a "pre-existing condition."

 

Most major religions have a history of abusing women. I am happy not to be a christian or a muslim.

 

Gee, I was just thinking that I was happy not to be a woman.

 

Menj dude, we are so proud of you

p/s: from msia too.

 

That is funny. Even with all I think I am much happier to be a woman than a man. Someone tries to push me around, I'll just punch them in the eye! HaHa

 

Why not just answer Northpoint's question, dude?

 

Yep, a straight yes or no will do fine

 

Rebecca, while I agree with you on the pervasiveness of this problem (I teach martial arts, and one of the specialized seminars/training I provide is assault awareness and prevention for women - I am, sadly, all too familiar with what women face in today's society), we should distinguish institutional, legal, organized abuse and murder - such as exists under the Taliban, from the tragic events you list above.

The former is is the subject of this thread. It is a wholly pervasive problem in Islam, and the subject of institutional murder is the question I raise to Menj (who though he denies it exists, will not address the evidence presented to him). I therefore cannot agree with your "glass houses" analogy. This is the very strategy Menj has specifically employed on this forum to dodge the questions put to him, and in doing so, he is in essence defending the institutional abuse and murder of women continuing today.

The wholesale slaughter of women, as engendered by the Talibanic sharia and other Islamic theocracies, is very much something to be addressed - here and now. The problem is real, and many, including Professor Steven Fish of UC Berkeley (please read Islam and Authoritarianism), believe that until the problem of female subjugation under Islamic state practice is addressed, among other things, no hope for democracy exists in these regimes.

 

Point taken, the taliban movement is very violent against women, here are more examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women#Women

As far as why violence occurs against women, I don't think Menj is prepared to answer that. I don't think Menj condones it, I am certainly not an expert but Islamic scriptures I have read don't seem to condone it. It is just what evil men do. I am glad I live in the US and not in the middle east that is for sure. What if I walked out of my house and by mistake my ankle was showing so the police would think it is there right to beat me? Again, I am very thankful to live here!

 

But this goes to the heart of it. My original question to Menj went to Islamic practice today, not what is or isn't in the scriptures (which don't appear to have anything supporting this kind of subjugation). You may or may not have read the sources provided above - Menj attributed one DP'ers response to his tirades to "PMS," and he referred to the site of the evidentiary video in question as run by "Bitches." He willingly supports putting even his own daughter into sexual servitude at age 9. In my opinion, his hatred for women is palpable, and he condones every bit of the violence as shown on the video.

My original question, going back over a week ago now, is that it is not necessarily "evil men" only, but rather something endemic to modern Islamic practice, that Menj refuses to courageously answer. It's a straight up or down question. Easy to answer - if you have the courage of your convictions, one way or the other. In my opinion, not answering merely shows the cowardice that seems to be his very nature.

 

For Christ's sake give it a rest! What are you? Obsessed?

Jeez..

 

Lol, no, but it's just so ... fun...

 

LOL< do you really have to ask

 

Great post, thanks.

But isn't islam a kind of organized crime? Every bits and pieces fit into the structure of organized crime, with laundry available, not primarly money laundring but system laundring, and they still think they can get a-way with this?

 

my PMS is a debate on DP lol well i guess guys like minger just like young girls because they dont show there PMS symptoms to much, ie. not outspoken, (incase they get their head chopped off) or hands or feet.

 

No, Menj is just plagued with ongoing PMS - Perpetual Menj Syndrome.

 

simple yes or no would do.