Islam & the Koran - Theres something wrong here...

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Skynt, Oct 7, 2006.

  1. dark

    dark Peon

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    #21
    i am a muslim too with elhamdulillah. we also believe Jesus and Moses.in The Koran writes these Prophets sent by Allah.
    Moslem is hug all nations. our Prophet Mohammed is last prophet.The Koran will never ever change.happy Ramadan to you and be peace.
     
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  2. Skynt

    Skynt Peon

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    #22
    Hasn't changed? Back yourself up. Allah isn't going to do it.
     
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  3. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #23
    It's just very confusing to us how you can claim to believe in Islam and peace at the same time, as Islam commands you to make war on your fellow countrymen and women if they violate your interpretation of the Koran and Islam also commands you to make war on other nations until they agree to submit and pay tribute.

    It just doesn't add up.
     
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  4. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #24
    We are only allowed to go to war only in defence and never in attack.

    - MENJ
     
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  5. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #25
    Be careful what you wish for, it might arrive sooner rather than later :D

    - MENJ
     
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  6. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #26
    Right, right, so all those churches your boys burned recently were attacking you.

    And that old nun in the hospital who your boys shot in the back, she looked vicious. She could have bitten someone!

    And that lady in the video who was shot in the head by your boys, she was so dangerous you had to tie her up.

    And my God -- the tree that your boys vandalized -- did you see those big scary limbs that it was threating Allah with?

    And those ancient archeological sites in Afghanistan... they were hatching a Zionist plot against you!

    And the girl in France who your boys murdered because she wouldn't sleep with them... if that isn't an attack on your Muslim manliness then I don't know what is! I am so glad that your boys were able to defend the spirit of Muhammad by murdering another innocent woman.

    Do you see Menji why it is difficult to take you seriously?
     
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  7. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #27
    It was an unfortunate incident which should not have happened. I believe CAIR had already made a donation drive and sent the money to those churches for reparation costs, so stop bitching about it.

    Again, an uncalled for incident and very much un-Islamic.

    Same answers as per the above.

    On the Bamiyan statues...there is a different story to that. But let's save it for another time.

    As was explained before in the other thread, the lapidation was un-Islamic.

    Don't make excuses for your scepticism just because you don't believe in the existence of Muslims who, unlike some extremists, know what Islam is all about.

    - MENJ
     
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  8. lorien1973

    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #28
    What's that 6 excuses for bad behavior in 10 minutes? When does it start becoming a pattern?
     
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  9. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #29
    very very islamic, dont you see? just a few of 1.000's of things that happen daily in islam
     
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  10. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #30
    I am not making any excuses for any of them. But to judge the religion based on the actions of a few out of 1.3 billion is, to me, quite incredulous. Why don't you look to Muslims in the West and see how they behave? Look at Yusuf Islam, for example? He had a alcoholic and drug abuse problem before he became a Muslim. Today he is a much better Muslim than even I could ever hope to aspire to be and he has a string of schools and charities, alhamdulillah.

    Why are you thus looking at the behaviour of extremists who know nothing about Islam? Why not look at Yusuf Islam?

    - MENJ
     
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  11. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #31
    We've been looking at Muhammad at that is revolting enough.

    If Muhammad were alive today, he would be in prison with all of his NOI homies.
     
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  12. Arnie

    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #32
    So you're defending against cartoons you don't like with violence?
    Where does defence start?

    Maybe mu likes 'em.
     
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  13. Ibn Juferi

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    #33
    And what exactly do you find in the behaviour of the Prophet (P) which you find "revolting"? I am talking here about his behaviour and characteristics.

    - MENJ
     
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  14. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #34
    I don't approve of attacking embassies and burning down churches in protest, if that is what you are trying to imply. I believe peaceful demonstrations and issuing statements and articles refuting them are legitimate means of protest.

    - MENJ
     
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  15. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #35
    Murdering, raping, thieving and lying all come to mind. That's before we even wander off into child molestation.
     
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  16. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #36
    So who did he murder or rape or stole or lie to? These are the usual Orientalist allegations which has been refuted time and time again by Muslim scholars over the years.

    - MENJ
     
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  17. Will.Spencer

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  18. Shah Bandar

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    #38
    Spencer,
    Have you met Muhammad? How do you know he is a bad guy? As far as I know nobody is sure with the existense of him..not even the so called "Ulama", how could you be sure he existed and commit adultery etc..??

    Skynt,
    Anyway, "Christian" never exist in Quran......It only exist in modern quran translation... and hope you understand the meaning of "allies"...

    there is only one god, and one religion, in arabic we call it "Islam", which mean submission to one god, thats all, it is just a word in "arabic" not some fancy title or anything and its not neccessary for you to use the word "Islam" to tell people that you believe in one god...
     
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  19. Citizen

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    #39
    Radical muslims are not muslims.
    Radical christians are not christians.
    Radical communists are not marxists.
    Ignorant posters seldomly post anything but crap.

    = stop posting this ignorant crap.
     
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  20. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #40
    I disagree. Radical believers are usually the only true believers.

    Moderate Christians ignore huge swaths of the Bible. Moderate Muslims ignore similar amounts of the Koran.

    The real Christians and real Muslims are those folks that you might not enjoy having over to the house for dinner.
     
    Will.Spencer, Oct 10, 2006 IP