United States Heading towards a Depression?

To say Republicans are drunken sailors does disservice to either sailing or drinking for what they are really worth but when combined together is indeed their navigational skills in leading a country before even leaving the pier.

 

Have you found your marbles yet?

 

The dog turd of a deal struck between house Republicans and Obama just got worse in an effort to sell it to the Democrats:

In a rather unusual move, Obama abdicated the bully pulpit to former President Clinton, who he probably thought could do a better job selling this steaming pile of cr*p to all parties concerned. In what might be the strangest and most awkward presser in a while, Obama actually exited the room mid meeting, leaving Clinton to speak to the American people.
[video=youtube;6Ac9uDLUdSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ac9uDLUdSs[/video]

 

Your location is stated as USA... but that is not a sentence in our language. You'd have to run thru Babbelfish or Google Translator to come up with these frequent grammatical clusterfucks. Just another third world twit afraid to tell the truth about where they really are because they're ashamed of their country?

Deficits aren't caused by under-taxing people, they are the result of overspending. How can you possibly look at a bill that refuses to increase taxes during a recession PLUS increases subsidies to people that do not work... and walk away with the idea that the irresponsible part is failing to raise taxes? So paying people to sit home is a great plan?

Wow, you're an economic genius.

 

Who else noticed that when Clinton took the podium he passed in front of President Obama?

I may not agree with President Obama on most things, but as the President he deserves a measure of respect, especially from his own party.

I didn't like that, and I thought it was very disrespectful. Obama tried to pass in front but Clinton beat him to it. Clinton is very media savvy and knew exactly what he was doing.

On another note, Clinton's use of language and gestures is simply masterful. Notice how when he talks about good things, or himself, he usually either gestures towards himself or he makes the "grabbing her tits" gesture with his hands. When he mentions the Republicans, he usually gestures away with his left hand. These methods are taught as part of persuasive public speaking techniques.

Also, President Obama had no business standing there looking on at Clinton like a schoolboy. Obama should have stood straight and looked out at the audience.

Major P.R. coup for Bill Clinton, foolish mistake for President Obama.

 

I thought exactly the same thing, and I bet you Obama was thinking that as well, which is why he excused himself early. It was one of the most painfully awkward bits of television I've watched in a long time.

 

It was an open admission by Barry that he is simply in over his head. This is the first real position of responsibility he's had in his entire life.

He may not even run in 2012.

 

Not sure what country you are from either from whatever might be discerned from the above vernacular.
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Did watch a little of the news conference (5 minuets) and saw nothing as described above but not being a sociopath was probably the problem.

My point is the Republicans are now responsible for raising the National Debt by ~ 1 trillion dollars as their compromise in passing the legislation they insist on passing.
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Obama is in shock and has poorly managed a situation that is not the same as 94. His Administration is responsible for legislation being passed that will benefit citizens for generations to come and in two years has curtailed the deepest recession since the Great Depression. Bill Clinton failed where Nancey Pelosi has succeeded.

The best scenario would be for the House to adjourn and if their already passed bill that is deficit neutral is not accepted by the Senate begin anew in the next Congress.

Obama has not met the test for re-election the country sourly deserves.

 

You know, I thought the same thing! It's like Obama was standing there thinking "What am I doing here?"

I've done enough public speaking to know that it was a case of Obama's inexperience, because you can't be taught what to do in evolving situations like that.

As far as the podium, IMO what Obama should have done as he passed to podium to Clinton, was move to his right while firmly holding the podium with his right hand. It would have forced Clinton to move behind Obama. If Clinton doesn't move, Obama hits Clinton with an icy glare.

In the end having Clinton up there was an embarrassing admission of weakness on Obama's part. It was a bad decision. There must have been some sort of breakdown of leadership and teamwork to let that happen. I have a nagging suspicion that Hillary and Bill are double-teaming Obama.

You know, I never considered that but it's possible! What if Obama doesn't want a 2nd term?

 

Perhaps Rahm the Kapo was the only thing holding Obama together for this long.

That does seem apparent. This is the closest they have worked together since 27 February, 1980.

As badly as he has screwed things up, it seems only natural for him to want to exit quickly. Perhaps Obama will take a note from another democratic failure and say, "I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President."

 

FGC... Love it. "frequent grammatical clusterfucks"

That pretty much sums it up.

 

@Will.Spencer, Wow, I never thought of it that way. Maybe Rahm Emanuel was the only thing holding Obama and his administration together!

Maybe this new deal with extending the tax cuts was shaped because Rahm wasn't there???

Here's a theory I just heard: the economy isn't recovering because people aren't spending money. People aren't spending money because they lack confidence in the economy AND a lot of consumers fell from the lower middle class - so there are less middle class consumers. Here's the kicker - the are no low-income jobs available for them because many of those jobs are already filled by people here illegally.

 

That is correct. Unemployment amongst illegals was the highest starting out, but now its way below the median because they all were willing to take less money. Basically, everyone took a cut in pay and the recession ended. It isnt like the people kicked out of the middle class are really looking for those jobs, though, since the government has been paying them almost as much to sit at home for two years, and we just added a third year to it. Why would you bust your ass to take the same check the govt. will give you for free? But like you said, if the gov. were to stop paying the unemployed, many would have to compete with Illegals who will definitely work for less, and therefore get the jobs.

Even in a good economy, uncontrolled immigration impacts wages throughout the middle class. Setting aside agriculture work, which it seems very few Americans want to do, all the skilled trades used to pay a reasonable wage. Concrete, framing, drywall, plumbing, welding, you name it. When a painter makes $20/hr it puts price pressure on jobs requiring more education because the applicants look at employers who offer pathetic wages and say, "I could make more as a painter". Once you drop the price floor out of the trades with illegal labor, employers can get away paying educated employees crappy wages. The line becomes, "It could be worse, you could be a painter".

 

This is very true for business spending. Businesses are afraid to spend and invest, because they are waiting to see how the government is going to screw them next. Investment requires the ability to plan with a high degree of confidence. There is no ability to plan with a high degree of confidence when the government has the ability to constantly change the rules of the game.

 

Businesses are afraid to spend and invest, because the new leadership of Republicans have just introduced a bill that increases the national debt by 1 trillion dollars and have yet even to assume office.

Happy days ahead for that crowd.

 

You get the gold star for being astute. How many millions are here illegally ? Most all of them
are working, sending that money back to their country. Seventy percent are Mexican. Those statistics
have nothing to do with racism... so Breeze Wood, don't even try it. I am not racist.

In fact, let me QUOTE a Mexican ( again ) :

"The only way to fight poverty is with employment,” Slim said at a conference in Sydney today. “Trillions of dollars have been given to charity in the last 50 years, and they don’t solve anything."

He is the richest man in the world. He is Mexican.

 

I think he used to mow my lawn.

 

People aren't spending money because people do not have money to spend. What little they do have they are using to pay down DEBT!

Obama does not understand this because he's spent his life on the public dole. He's never worked a day in his life. Never had a job at a fast food restaurant. Never had to dig a ditch. Never had to wash a dish. Yet he still managed to stay healthy, eat, and go to the best schools. Welfare create dependence. It's pretty hard to expect a dependent of the system to understand that you cannot create wealth by taking more of it away from those who create it. It works for a while, but not forever. Eventually the creators of wealth become the dependents. Once that happens you have NOTHING.

 

Just wanted to add, The uk is in major trouble. With spending cut riots breaking out in the last month (civil unrest). It look's like there's a lot more hard times in store

[video=youtube;7gd6-zfeeaM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gd6-zfeeaM[/video]

 

That's probably the only positive economic news to come out of the U.S. since Obama was elected.