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Actually it does. It takes a very twisted mind to read death into a very straightforward verse about religion dividing families like a sword.

 

What kind of prophet can that be with no foresight at all?
Sorry, can't take that.

The rest answers itself.

 

That has been done before. See here and here.

- MENJ

Then apparently your man-god didn't have any foresight at all, because he didn't stop his mother (Mary daughter of Imraan) from being betrothed to Joseph the Carpenter at the tender age [!] of 12 years old.

Of course that will immediately make Joseph a pedophile (by your own criteria), but...

- MENJ

The verse is very literal and does not leave any room for metaphorical interpretations.

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So you accept that no law is justified to make marriage for a 9 years old legal even if it came from God - I mean now-?

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"The verse is very literal and does not leave any room for metaphorical interpretations."

So what sword did Christ bring that people are using on each other? The verse literally states that Christ brought the sword. Was it a cutlass? A broadsword? Where did he purchase them at?

So Menj, if you ever manage to find a woman that will put up with your muderous ideas and marry you and you have a daughter, would you want your nine year old little girl to marry and then have sex with a 50 year old man?

Lot offered his daughters up in Sodom to save his own skin. Just because the girl's father willingly gave her up, doesn't mean it was a good thing. In fact it speaks very poorly of him as well.

 

Give me a break man!!

Killing justified in your religion, marring to 4 ? WTF and you want to build a society ? Women rights? where are they?
looking to countries in the gulf like Saudi Arabia who forbid women until now to drive a car !!! the debate can exceed 100's of pages

 

I wonder if menj1980 is one of those group of muslims that recognise no limit for the number of wives.

To guys information I know of at least one group of muslims who - theorically- allow even more that 4 wives and those wives don't have the same right as the first 4 for example their babies don't have the right to inheritence.

 

Well unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately depending on how you see it) Rome put a stop to it and he was put on trial like a common criminal. The rest, as they say, is history.

If that man is the Prophet Muhammad, and if my daughter is old enough and have achieved puberty (does not mean that she will be nine, it could be earlier or later depending on the when), why, I would gladly give my daughter in marriage to the Prophet. Who would ever refuse such an honour, to be the father-in-law of the Messenger of God?

Context, context. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexuals. Seems that you left that little bit of info out.

- MENJ

 

Besides a mentally sick pervert pedophile, who would want to marry a six year old girl?

I'm glad you are here to prove that such insane mentality exists in islam. Most people wouldn't believe, but you've gone out of your way to actually prove it.

 

Really? Here's something which proves otherwise:



Perhaps you can tell me how 9-year-old Wanwisa Janmuk gave birth to a baby girl if she had not achieved puberty at the time? Taken from here.

- MENJ

I won't give away my daughter in marriage to pedophiles, if that is what you are trying to imply.

- MENJ

 

Probably because some pervert that preys on kids got her pregnant. It could just be a girl holding a baby too.

Is that your bag of tricks? Nine year old girls? Most people that would get their jollies on little girls wouldn't admit it, yet you are going out of your way to seek acceptance for it. Welcome to islam. Make your little pedophile dreams come true and get sympathy from others for being a child molester.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

Actually she is married to the husband and the husband got her pregnant. Obviously.

Actually the point I wish to demonstrate is to show that nine-year-olds can and do become a woman after achieving puberty. And as shown above, they are biologically ready to bear children and raise one. So who are you to be bitching about Aishah's marriage to the Prophet (P)?

Go ahead and deny the scientific evidence. Perhaps the girl (Wanwisa) was impregnated by aliens, or had an immaculate conception, who knows? Maybe that is why you are so pissed each time I provide the evidence above, because you very damned well know that Wanwisa's case can be similarly applied to Aishah's.

Oh, btw, the news above is dated to March 2001. Today I believe that Wanwisa will be around 16 years old. Still quite "young" in your warped values, I believe.

- MENJ

 

Menji, you really need to re-read VS's post. You read and replied to only the first portion of that paragraph.

 

You mean the rest of the ramblings about "even if it does happen..." I-need-to-cover-my-arse-in-case-this-darned-Mozlem-proves-otherwise? BS. There is no scientific evidence that supports the rest of the claim, it is mere speculation. And it is a desparate tactic to hide the fact that girls can and do achieve puberty at 9 or later, and definately before 18. God already gave mankind a biological guide to determine who is mature and ready to produce a bloodline, it is ridiculous to deny this biological guide in women.

- MENJ

Just responded. See above.

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You are a sick person menj. I have no use for pedophiles and those that make excuses for their behavior.

/shakes head in disgust and moves on to other threads...

 

Menji, no one is claiming that a nine year old girl cannot, biologically speaking, be impgrenated.

What we are saying is that, even if it is possible for an adult to impregnate a nine year old girl, the act is morally repulsive.

Let me remind you what nine year old girls look like.



Is this what you are looking for in a sexual partner?

What sort of man could look at these little girls and think that would be a good idea?

 

By whose standards? That does not mean that I will arbitarily agree to a marriage of girls at puberty to just about anyone.

Ah, they are sweet, yes, but one look at their faces tells me that they have certainly not reached puberty yet. And since its obvious that they are not mature enough, marriage is forbidden to them in Islam.

Nice try, but it does not work.

- MENJ