you can easily get backlinks from site that are more then 10y old. They will supply you with the traffic, article direcotries are good examples of authoritive old sites
I do kind of understand his logic now, think of it like this, you are right in five years there will be a website make millions, but also in those five years, google will be five years improved, so even though that new website is making millions, it still will not of past google. He is not saying all new websites will never make as much as the older sites, he is saying it is unlikely they will pass the older sites
Ok I understand your logic in the last paragraph. Obviously older websites have a brilliant head start on any newer competitors as they have been in the market for a longer period. This however is only one very minor aspect of success, one that in actual fact is not required to make a successful website. There are hundreds and hundreds of factors that contribute to a website/businesses success, and one factor than CAN contribute to a successful website/business is the time that it has been established. It is not the time you have been up that gives that advantage...it is the experience, backlinks, reputation etc that brings this.. I am very surprised I seem to be in the minority in this debate. All good fun
You are right there are hundred of factors that play a part in a websites success. The longer the time the website has been running, the further that website will be in front. More backlinks More exposure More followers You only get a good amount of these from experience
See, this thing I find about this topic that is annoying is how pestimistic it truly is. Can you imagine if everyone had this train of though going on. "Well, I would start a coffee shop but what's the point. We can't beat tim hortons" "I would play drums for a hobby but why bother because I'll never be better than Lars" etc. Its a really horrible way to think. Saving up for a down payment on a large chocolate bar? lol
LaceyGirl Yes, keep saving, that other person has been saving already for 5 years and can afford that large chocolate bar yes, time alone may do very little, as I have had websites up for like 1-2 years and simply no activity...no traffic, no backlinking...so just because you have a website up, and time passes, I would not expect much for that website going anywhere...Its the website that has time online, and the owner continues to market his website to potential buyers, even though there is no guarantee for success, and the more competition that is out there just means you are less likely to become successful compared to you starting 10 years ago, does that mean you will never become successful, no, it could also take much longer to reach any success, and if you give up, certain failure for sure.... Here is another example: I knew someone that sold MLM products roughly starting in 1998-99 - Last I heard she is no longer working that hard selling products, because her downline is earning her income today. Lets say someone today signed up in her downline, do you think it is possible for this person to reach her level of success? Yes its possible, but how realistic is it? Back in 98-99 the competition for this product was not around, but today there is so much competition that it can seem almost impossible to reach this persons level of success, as she would have to work much harder, and ever fight the competition.... what do you think the chances would be for a new downline signup today that would ever reach her level of success? Back then, I would have given her a 90% or higher of success, today, I would give her maybe 5% or less....
I'd say it's not impossible to out-rank a site which has been around for a longer time. Just spend a lot of time promoting it and let it take the time it takes. Of course the older site has advantage, but you can't think that way because then you will never get anywhere. Maybe if you're lucky the old site will be deleted in 5 years and then who will be the new king in the search rankings? You never know.
nothing can grow exponentially to infinity - only economists believe in this. Every site (even Facebook) sooner or later reachers its peak (saturation point). When all people on this planet get on Facebook, - it wont be cool anymore and something cooller and more advanced will overtake Facebook.
Some of you have a very negative outlook. If you believe that you lost the game before you start playing, don't start. Have you guys never heard of the underdog winning? Go watch some motivating movies
I agree, the search engines, and Google in particular pay a lot of attention to the age of the site, to prevent people making up sites and spamming their links to get an edge
When you start a new website, thinking it is likely to beat the top players in your niche is very naive, less than 25% of website do actually succeed, and only a handle full of those will actually make a decent amount of money. I am not being negative, it's just the truth, hiding from that when starting a new website is done by many people, and then They come out disappointed. Thinking you are guaranteed to be a success when you start a website, is. Very bad way to think, yes have that as a goal, something to aim for, but it will be very unlikely to beat the too player who have been around for a long time, but I am not saying a old website will be a good one, it would be very easy to beat a 5 year old website, which is rubbish, a couple of hundred back links or so, but again it is very unlikely for a 5 year old website to have " a couple of hundred back links" try a couple of thousand
At least someone is being realistic....I never started this thread to be negative...or to put anyone down, or try to get anyone to quit, but to open your eyes! Share is also being generous about 25% of websites succeeding, as I would bet the number is much, much smaller. It is already a proven fact that 95% of new business start ups will fair, and I bet you the % of internet business is even higher for a failure rate. If the stats are right, and they rarely are this is what DP currently shows: Yahoo Backlinks: 1,074,316 http://forums.digitalpoint.com Bing pages indexed: 504,000,000 Google: n/a as they did not show...over million? What numbers can you guys provide? a few, a few hundred, a few thousand backlinks at best... anyone have million+ backlinks? (I sure would like to be your best friend if you do I also figure that for every competitor that you do out last online, then you will of course rise in the ranks...so the longer you do stay online, doing your thing (marketing) outliving your competitor, then of course it will get better and better for you....so if have 10 competitors that start out with you, or those above you, and they start dropping out (sites going down, etc) then you of course would most likely rise in the ranks of your field of whatever you are doing.... sound logical?
Yeah, I am sure the actual figure is below 25%, I just used that as an example, people think we are just trying to bring people down, were not, people just need to understand it is a hard game to play, (Starting a website) and "winning" is very very difficult. And as far a the google back links goes I would say around 1.4million, just a guess.
I get what Lacey is saying. She has proven she is capable of doing it. Whilst not all of us could say this, as we are not all created equal, as someone said it is not impossible.
Who says you have to go up against the 'big' site/s anyway? You would only want to take it on if you were ranking for those keywords without having putting any work into it (you know the collateral keyword traffic). Then you might want to go after it but even then it would be a substantial investment in time and money.
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I'm not sure. But a 3 month-old site can jump from no rank into less than 10,000 alexa rank. You believe that?
People defy the stats and odds all the time in every sphere of life They are not being naive, unrealistic or unpragmatic They can be the most grounded people who are aware of the current conventional wisdom. They know their limitations and they understand the nature of the challenge. I don't want this to sound like some philosophical synthetic pep talk because it isn't However I have defied the 'expert opinion' and predictions of many medical 'experts' I was in a car accident and they wrote me off. (everything broken; fractured skull, nose, jaw, broken neck, collapsed lungs, another three fractures of the spine, collapsed lungs, ribs, the doctors were scraping the soles of my feet to detect feeling) The only thing that wasn't broken was my sense of hope. One year later I was running more than an hour a day, and a couple of years after that beating the best in Australia again in my sport. These aren't miracles. I am not being arrogant, as I know nothing about nothing and that is after getting three degrees including a Masters. We don't know everything. The more I 'know' the more I realise I don't know if that makes any sense. Was it Twain who said something like: 'its not the things we don't know that are dangerous but the things we think we know that just ain't so'
If you start some type of marketing or webmaster forum, then you are in fact competing with the big boys, and with every other small forum along the way. You may not intentionally be doing so, but you are in fact competing with Warrior, DP, etc...I saw a marketing forum earlier today that has been up for about 3 years, so in that 3 years of being online this site has only gathered a mere 140,000 backlinks, just a mere drop in the bucket compared to DP, not sure if he is making money or anything, but he has a long way to go to even get near DP and he has been online for 3 years...so if you started your marketing forum today, then you would expect to be online for 3-5 years before getting 140,000 backlinks, and that would depend on your marketing efforts, so if you did nothing, then you should not expect to have many backlinks, unless for some reason your forum just auto generates itself, and your forum just takes off by itself.... unless you have something so unique, it is also unlikely that your forum will not earn any income within the first 3-5 years of being online.