Ok, a site has been up for 5 years, and has earned his backlinks... lets say he has 10,000 backlinks... now lets say your site is 5 days old, and you added 10,000 backlinks, lets even say you added them over a 6 month period... so? Do you really think you are going to beat out a site that has been up for 5 years? and has 5 years experience online? I would say not...and I would say you would never ever catch up to that site either, even when you have 5 years under your belt, then that other site now has 10 years.... If it was that easy to out run another site, then people would be doing it all the time, how many other sites do you see out running WarriorForum, or even DP? WF and DP have been up for years...you can sling out all the backlinks you can get and you will never catch up....
Hope is running thin these days. In order to have a site making you some cash, you would have had to put up a site at least 10 years ago. The time your site is online, and backlinks count very heavy...and you basicly have nothing if you just buy a domain that is 10 years old, but has not been up for 10 years. last I heard, warrior guy is making like $1k/day - and this figure could be low... You can have all the hope you want, but it is very unlikely anyone will ever beat them, and very few may even come close, they are just too dug in....
Its true that a 6month old site will not beat a 5yr old site, but once a site hits 3yrs, it doesn't really matter if there's another one that is 5yrs, or 10yrs, etc.
So you are saying once site hits 3 years, then it is fair game no matter if the other site is now 8 years? I agree 3 year site would have his 3 years of backlinks, but how would he overtake the site with 8 years of backlinking...Could the site be overtaken by dumping an extra 50k of backlinks? Do you really think it is that easy and that google does not know what you are doing, or long long your site has been up? Show me a site that has been up for 3 years that has overtaken WF or DP....
It is unlikely, but it is the same in the real world, there will always be someone better than you. I do not think it is fair to say a new site will never have any chance in beating the big website I you niche. Somewhere there will be a new forum that may beat wf or DP.
a new site? never... if the site is maybe 5 years old already, then he may have a shot... but if you just went up yesterday, you can forget it.... the competiion out there is just dead crazy these days... If you do it, then expect it to be a hobby, this is why there is a high turn over on forums, these kids get $$ in their eyes and expect to cash out in setting up a forum, then after 30-90 days when they have no traffic or money, there goes the forum...Their calculations are some what off on making money, they expected to make money within just 90 days when they should have been up for at least 3-5 years, and then there are no guarantees.... It really does take some work, dedication, and time to run a forum, and wait for your hard work to pay off, and a lot of people just get bored when they have no action on their forum right away, and they disappear overnight....
Yes, its true. I'm saying this uhh kijiji.com has got autotrader beat. google beat yahoo(I think yahoo was first) And I can't really give you a link for this one but when my site was about 1 1/2 years old it been in the top 5 for a 1,600,000Global searched keyword(says adwords keyword tool) and trust me, There were thousands of sites older than mine. It just so happens I have qualitied them out, backlinked them out, etc.
fair enough, I will not call it impossible, but rare... getting true backlinks is probably going to be expensive (paid) and very time consuming waiting on natural backlinks to grow overtime. sure you can buy 10k cheap backlink package..and I bet most of those cheap backlinks are PR0 and on the same server at best, and I do not think that google is going to count those backlinks very high if they count them at all.... I am more at ease when I see domains that I can not spell or pronouce that beat out other sites that are more easy to remember....
Lacey is right. All the big money keywords were dominated by a different bunch of sites 10 years ago.
I'll disagree as well - as someone said above anything is possible - it might take you more effort and cost you more but with the right strategy and resources and determination you can do it.
if you had a site that is 5 days old with 10K backlinks then you would be banned - google would not search ur site.
Why is that? Big companies can do that all the time, make a new website, announce the product - all the blogs & news sites pick it up... tons of backlinks immediately. Surely Google won't penalise for that?
to a point you are corrrect. I still think the high ranking site has to continue with getting links to maintain its ranking. Sites like DP are on autopilot - they really don't need to do much to keep ahead in the game. However, for most niches (not the elite), there is room to fail or grow.
now you are talking about having money that 99.9% of us do not have...for what you are talking about, a company could spend 100k to million bucks...you can do anything with money. for you and I, we are probably sandboxed for a period of time. Here is a site that I would not want to have: http://www.vbulletin-faq.com/forum/forum.php If the stats are accurate, it shows to have 20k backlinks. I doubt the stats are right and probably has more backlinks since the site has been up for sometime now. it looks like there are some updated posts, but a few categories have gone months without a post. Threads:10,667 Posts:71,331 Members:14,312 0 Members online This is not the site I want to end up with.... 20,000 backlinks seems almost pointless if you do not have any members online.... His site seemed to be more active until VB4 come out, after that it seemed to have died down, he also changed his theme, that could have made a contribution to his downfall also.
that is true, WF and Dp have been up for years, and grabbed their stake...do you think they are humping to advertise everyday? Absolutely not...their sites are simply on auto these days...Your work on your site, time, and backlinks will determine your fail or success...both time and backlinks are needed...I think you are going to be behind if you have a site with time/age, and no backlinks, or a site that has time/age that does not have backlinks...they go both ways, and you need both of them....
You have a very negative view and if you continue with this view you will NEVER succeed in business. It doesnt matter what business you are running, whether it is online or offline, there will always be chances to succeed. Take a look, how old is Facebook? How old is Google? Have they both overtaken 100% of their competition? Yes! Did they start out as a small business with one or two individuals with passion and desire pushing them forwards? Yes! It doesnt matter how old your website is or how many backlinks you have, you can still succeed and you can still overtake competition. The massive flaw in your theory is your perception that growth is linear....it isnt, it is variable!
ok fair enough...now that facebook and google are where they are...who do you think will pass facebook/google? we are now running past just being up a few years, we are talking about multi-billion dollar compaines...We all know you can damn well pass anyone if you got the billion dollars to back it up, you can do anything with money... this is actually going past having a site up a few years and having backlinks.... If you have a site up for 5 years, and I have the money to back it, then I can no doubt surpass you in no time.... in fact google is so big they maybe actually tampering with search results to go in their favor (anti-trust issues) (look it up)
I do not understand your logic at all..... You are saying they are multi-billion dollar companies, which is correct. How do you think they became multi-billion dollar companies? They didn't just get given $1Billion, they worked for it and expanded past its competitors. Both started out as VERY small business ideas, then grew and gained investment as their success grew. There is potential to far surpass google or facebook's success. The Internet is still expanding and I can guarantee that in 5 years time, a new website will have grown from nothing into a multi-multi-million dollar business!