Answering Allegations about Islam - !!! Come And Join Us !!!

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  1. Shah Bandar

    Shah Bandar Peon

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    #541
    Oh, the school, It was in east not south if I am not mistaken and the goverment closed the school years ago after learning about their teaching...Well, bad apple is everywhere but Malaysia is still a nice country to visit, you don't have to worry about being blow to pieces...
     
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  2. maldives

    maldives Prominent Member

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    #542
    William knows that very well but, never wants to beleive the fact that not all the muslims are terrorists.
     
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  3. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #543
    Oh yeah, sure. We both know how you are lying through your teeth with this.

    Yet another lie, alleging that I "murder" people. Such silliness knows no bounds.

    - MENJ

    Its quite obvious how you refuse to read the answer to your allegations. I have no intention of presenting something "interesting" to Western ears, the facts stand as they are. Either you accept it or remain in your ignorance.

    - MENJ
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #544
    I'm really lost as to where Menj came up with that number or what he meant by it. Menj often makes no sense, but this was bad even for him.

    There are 2M criminals in prison in the U.S. and 6% of them are Muslim.

    There are somewhere around 5M Muslims living in the U.S., which is under 2% of the population of the U.S.

    This means that, if you are a Muslim, your odds of being a criminal are much higher than if you are a non-Muslim.

    On the reverse side, if you are a criminal, your odds of being a Muslim are much higher than if you were not a criminal.

    In other words, there is a significant statistical correlation between Muslims and criminal behavior.

    This is not a good thing to be said about any religion.

    The facts stand as they are, which is quite a distance from where you stand.

    I have read your "answers" and found them to be wanting in terms of honesty, truthfulness, sensibility, believability, and common sense.

    I am quite disappointed. I had hoped that you would have at least a reasonable semblance of a defence for the actions of a person whom you seem to hold in such high regard.

    Instead, this person is revealed to be nothing but a common brigand and your only defences are that it is good for him to be this way because he is the prophet.

    In America, we believe that all men are created equal. Prophet or no prophet, we are all judged by the same measures. The behaviors of Muhammed are despicable by todays standards, and from the historical record it appears clear that they were also judged to be despicable by the standards of his time.

    I am no Christian and I believe that Jesus was delusional, but at least Jesus was not a murderer, a thief, a rapist, and a child molester.

    Maldives, that was a very silly thing to say.

    Of course not all Muslims are terrorists. I was just now helping a business partner of mine who is a Muslim and a graduate of the post-graduate Naval Academy in California.

    However, all Muslims who support terrorism are terrorists in my eyes. Menj supports terrorism and murder and in my eyes he is no better than the person who actually pulls the trugger.

    Menj sits at his keyboard and incites others to violence. This is much the same role as Osama bin Laden played in the attacks on the World Trade Center -- he convinced other people to do his dirty work for him. He conviced them to die while he sat back and laughed.

    Osama bin Laden is guilty of the deaths of every individual on each of those aircraft and every individual in each of those buildings. In the same manner, Menj is guilty of the deaths of every individual whose murder he supports.
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #545
    Nice find!



    Nah, he's just some pissed off American now living in Muhamalasia.

    It's the other way around man.

    Ah, actually, he did.

    Well then, 9 it is. You are one sick puppy Menj.

    This IMO is the way to win the war on terror.

    Ah, actually he did.

    But he is subject to God's law.

    Ah, actually you did.

    You don't believe in much unless it includes inciting violence, rape, incest, murder and terrorism. Anyway, that is what I get out of your posts.

    You might want to talk to Allah about that one.
     
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  6. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #546
    The defense was written, all you had to do was to refute it, if you disagree, and we can continue this in a civilised manner. Instead you come up here with your usual ridiculous assertions and extraneous claims not related to the issue of Ummul Mu'mineen Safiyyah, in the mischievous hopes of incitement passions and clouding judgement.

    Under ordinary circumstances I would have probably have lost my patience and you would have won. But unfortunately for you, this is the blessed month of Ramadhan, and perhaps it is by the will of God that I have an unusually large reserve of patience to deal with your rantings.

    What does the marriage of Aishah (R) has to do with the incident of Safiyyah? None. What does the raids on Makkan caravans have to do with Safiyyah (R)? Again, none. What does any of the other polemical incidents you wish to bring up has got anything to do with the incident involving Safiyyah (R)? Yet again, ziltch. So it is no surprise that when you fail to discern what was written, you decided to make a desperate attempt at a strawman in order to befuddle the readers who just came across this new issue on Safiyyah (R). Without even addressing a single point raised in the article.

    Speaks much for your (lack of) reasoning and debating skills, doesn't it?

    - MENJ
     
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  7. KalvinB

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    #547
    Yeah, lucky us Mr "Death to the Apostates" can continue convincing us not to be Muslim.

    When you asked how effective mercy was that was the end of it for me. Since Christ taught mercy towards those that fall away and you reject it you have proven that you do not believe in the true Christ. I could never be part of a religion that has no concept of mercy much less that mocks it.
     
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  8. Will.Spencer

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  9. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    He is a Shia, his rulings do not have any effect on me. How many times do I have to inform that I am a Sunni? If you can't even distinguish the difference, how on earth did you arrogate yourself to the position of commenting on Islam?

    I am still waiting for you to pull your head out of the sand and deal with the issue directly.

    - MENJ

    Time for you to apostatise from Christianity then.

    "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39)

    Does not seem that Christ showed any mercy here, does he?

    - MENJ
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

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    #550
    So Menji, this means that you are still masturbating during Ramadan?

    Do the girls in your fantasies play with dolls?
     
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  11. KalvinB

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    #551
    "Does not seem that Christ showed any mercy here, does he?"

    What part of that has anything to do with mercy?

    He simply saying; if you choose to not believe in me just because your family doesn't then you're not worthy of me.

    He's not telling you what to do about your family except to just believe in him no matter what.

    If your family hates you for it, too bad. He's not telling you to leave your family. To stop loving them. Much less to kill them.

    Lots of things are swords which divide families. Politics does it too sometimes.

    You have a very sick mind to think Christ is advocating physical violence.
     
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    lorien1973 Notable Member

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    #552
    Damn Islamophobes!

    http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=5138&date=20061006

     
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  13. Will.Spencer

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    #553
    That sounds like "integration" to me. It seems like the Islamists want to avoid integration.
     
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    #554
    I said it another thread. Those who cannot or will not assimilate, are wonderful candidates to be shipped where they can live under the medieval laws of their choice. They'd probably be less of a burden to everyone that way.
     
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    #555
    That does seem like a compromise between our current policy and the current policy of Islamist nations.
     
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  16. Ibn Juferi

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    #556
    Sigh, you won't stop with this silly red herring, would you? Okay, fine. If that is how you want to play it, here is an authoritative Sunni source on masturbating during Ramadhan. Although I fail to see what does this have got to do with anything.

    Satisfied now? Can we go back to the programme?

    - MENJ

    "Sick mind"? ROTFL. Christ was quoted in your Bible as saying that he did not come to bring peace, but the sword. I did not make anything up.

    And as for where "sick minds" regarding Christ Jesus, peace be upon him, is concerned, at least I do not worship him.

    - MENJ
     
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    Oh, so for Sunni's it's OK to masturbate after dark during Ramadan, just not during the day?

    You can have your issue of Highlights back, as long as you promise only to look at it after dark.
     
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    #558
    "Christ was quoted in your Bible as saying that he did not come to bring peace, but the sword."

    I know. You don't get it. He obviously wasn't talking about a literal sword. Drugs such as alchohol can also be a sword that divides people. Lack of peace doesn't mean violence.

    "at least I do not worship him."

    That's unfortunate. The one person who could save you, you reject.
     
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    And how un-literal can one be with such a statement?

    Only God can save me, not a human being; respected Prophet even though he is.

    - MENJ
     
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  20. Will.Spencer

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    #560
    This is nonsense. Only Mighty Mouse can save the day!
     
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