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Ofcourse. Terrorism exists because religions exist. List out all terrorist attacks in the last 50 years and 99% were religiously motivated. No religion = Pretty much No terrorism. Its not rocket science, I'm doing a public service here.

Well duh! It does harm me directly when they rally in the middle of the ring road in peak hours, close down shops and do all sorts of various innovative protests to try and stop our country from progressing because they feel that their "sacred" built by monkey bridge should not be damaged to build a canal that would save hundreds of thousands of hours and billions of dollars in transportation costs.

 

Wow...Yes, this is called Self-suicide ..

 

1) You could not argue on anything except that quote. So you say the post is not understandable. I don't argue here to win but to prove my point but actually i won it because you did not answer the other things.

2) So lets focus on helvetii's only quote. The answer is that each and every building or ancient structure does not come with a proof. After a 10000 years it will be a myth that a person named gandhiji existed. After 10000 years no one would be believing in non-violence and the fact that a thin guy who never raised a hand to fight gave independence from a whole country. The proof deteriorates, facts becomes myths, heroes become fiction. In short there will not be proof of each and every structures of Hinduism. SO stop fighting that there is no proof. The link you provide has around 200 words that there is no proof and that is given by the goverment who does not know much

 

LOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!! You couldn't have made yourself look more stupid really, I'm not even argue with insane logic in support of bridge built by army of monkeys that but I'll join others in ROFLing at you

Wait...you said:

Where is that proof you posted can you show me? Liar?

Now I provide you with this link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6994415.stm

You immediately change sides and say that archaeologists, scientists and government know nothing. LOL. You are a prime example of the hypocrisy, dishonesty, stupidity and brainlessness of the religious. Why don't you just concede that you lost and stop embarrassing yourself even more?

 

Terrorism exists because fundamentalists exist. I can list u Atheist terrorists as well if u wish to hear about this minority terrorist group. The fundamentalists use religion as a method of "provoke" to involve more hands. Some of the movies does the same, anyhow they end as hero kills the bad guy, this is nothing much just that here for these fundamentalists they consider themselves the heroes.

now where r u referring to this bridge ? I guess u have gone to Tamil Nadu if I am correct, just try to study the facts before reporting if its really the TN issue, I was in the TN when the mess happd and don't tell what exactly was on in the state. A ring road is term un-familiar to TN people, so u making this ring road comment would be useless to them. Only ones who visited North India would be familiar with ring roads.

For me polticians affect more than the religious leaders does that mean we have to get rid of all politicians ? These politicians rallies, dharnas, strikes, bandhs, meetings, convoys what not, my every day life because of them is very badly hit, this got nothing to do with the religions.

Atheism gives the right to chose no god and stand on your own beliefs, but not to oppose other's beliefs. It turns obsession if you do that. One can not be selfish and try to rub it on others, confirming only his beliefs are the best in the universe. One has to respect others and their beliefs , you might advise them otherwise if u wish to based on ur belief but not force it on them. One has to be dignified with his way of life and live up to it.

peace!!!

 

Yes please list any Atheist terrorist motivated by Atheism.

You should look up the meaning of Fundamentalism. Fundamentalists by definition are people who strictly follow religions to the T. And even going by your quote if religion can be (and is) used as a tool for provoking or rather motivating people to become murderers, terrorist or just public nuisance while giving no positive outcome (movies atleast provide entertainment) then its a bad thing which needs to be eliminated. If you really believe that comparing movies to religion is a fair comparison then you are too naive I must say, and while we are at it why is that movies are subject to unrestricted criticism and religious beliefs merit automatic protection cording to you? People should be free to criticize anything they feel is wrong. Looks like the only argument of religious people is "Religious beliefs should be protected so don't ask me any question you bigot".

 

Ah FFS any belief system can be used for evil , you just have to push the right buttons and hatred + stupidity will flower . It doesn't have to be a religion , until believers of all forms & shapes will understand that they'll continue to be a cow for lulz milking .

Just to make my last post clear . I wasn't calling anyone that posted in this thread a genius or a idiot . The genius comparison was made by contrasting the constant flow of digital crap that comes from India whit the posts that certain indians make in P&R .

 

I never said Atheism is an cause for terrorism, I stated I can list atheists who follow terrorism, u didn't understand my earlier statement rite. So making this statement clear before proceeding on to next one.

I never said one shouldn't criticize a religion or belief, if there is any direct harm such as provoking others to injure/harm others then it should be condemned un-conditionally. Any superstitious beliefs can be condemned.
I just said its not one's moral right to be a dignified with his criticism, if some one worships a monkey its their very right to do it and the democratic state gives u the freedom to worship any religion or be an atheist. Democracy doesn't curb religious rights. And u do not have a right to question one's way of worship. Idol or non-Idol worship is very much welcomed. If you want to worship some human u r most welcome to do so and we might question but we don't have the right to make u/force u to change ur mode of life on religious policies..

My comparison with movies is just for an example sake and not for a real comparison purpose. For one to be provoked it doesn't need a religion or caste, he/she can be provoked at any givens stage into malicious activities such as terrorism.

lol! I am aware of the meaning of fundamentalism so thanks. There is a difference between believers and fundamentalists, its some thing u have to understand. Extreme fundamentalism leads to extreme measures and this develops into terrorism at the extreme levels and not the entire religions are infected. "Some" are infect and and not all.


when an atheist is respected for his beliefs, he must reciprocate with the same respect for the religious believers. Its as simple as "Give Respect and Take Respect".

peace!!!

 

I know secular democracy give freedom of religion but they also give freedom of speech to attack it.

Not all Nazi's were out there killing Jews, does that mean we should not attack their ideology and ensure that its followers are reduced? I think this is the perfect analogy, afterall Nazism like religion has no positive outcome for the society

 

Helvetti based on that philosophy all the religious people should attack all the atheist . Won't that be a beautiful thing ? Just because you can go to a funeral and yell "You can all suck my di*k including that dead piece of sh*t " doesn't mean you should .

Individual freedom stops when you're interacting whit another individual . You have the good habit to point out that your criticism is your opinion and not "the truth" . Opinions are guarded by the right to freedom of speech . Verbal attacks are a whole different thing .

 

Interesting post and interesting comments cool down guys and don't be mad at each other.

No democratic and secular country can afford to keep on slicing off pieces of itself and handing off those pieces to every troublemaker who , based on local religious demographics demands a new independent country. Just to clarify, if the blacks in Harlem or the Latinos in Southern California demand their own country, that is not going to make New York or California into 'DISPUTED TERRITORIES'. In fact, last year some blacks in Georgia US demanded their own country and even printed their own flag and passports and currency they are ALL getting sodomized in federal prisons as we speak...

I know for a fact that muslims in India are accorded more rights than they even get in muslim countries. I know for a fact that the mullahs preach to the gullible muslims "you must breed faster, this is how we will conquer India", and if the logic of Kashmir as disputed territory merely based on faster breeding of muslims can be accepted, then all of India will need to be considered disputed territory by the same logic.

And watch out for the day the muslims want a separate country in Detroit.. they will all be whisked away to the world's biggest prison network (welcome to American freedom) before they can say 'allah, help!!' and the only disputed territory is going to be their asses in prison.

 

Best comment in this thread so far

 

A good post indeed . I loled a bit .

 

You are missing the main points,let me put it simply:

1) Religion adds no value to the society. It is based on nothing.
2) Religions cause people to to disgusting things like blowing themselves off, beat wives, opposes condoms, oppose stem cell research, homophobia, terrorism, burn scientists at stake hinder development of a country etc. etc. etc.
3) Therefore it is attacked by Atheists.
4) Religious people say: "Religious beliefs should be protected so don't attack them, question them, or else..".

 

You should know by know that you'll get no lulz from me

Anyway ignoring the bait let me just point out that freedom of speech is regulated . Slur & hate speech are prohibited by law . As for the matter of over-criticism it's a simple matter of respect , you respect my religion and I'll respect your religion . Mad men and lunatics should simply be looked away .

 

I know its a European thing and many other diverse countries have adopted such laws to unfairly restrict freedom of speech, which is wrong. There is no valid reason as to why law should prohibit someone from attacking and criticizing a belief system.

I think I can safely speak for all atheists here, we attack religions not because they are inconsistent with our beliefs but because they have historically proven to be of no good and have a serious negative impact on our society like I pointed out in the last post. In my opinion attacking religions is a public service and the duty towards humanity for those who have better sense.

 

Actually the laws exit to prevent abuse . We still have some idiots and mad men in Europe and we have no intention in letting them get even a modicum of power .

As for atheist criticism personally I find it amusing (the criticism not the bull propaganda that some people post) . In real life the atheist speakers relentlessly punch Christianity (we're the big devil ) because Christian don't give a dam or simply because we tolerate criticism and don't fight back . But when it comes to Islam they all fall silent because "they have families" . This cowardly hypocrisy makes me chuckle .

As for Internet criticism I've yet to see any well argued criticism , as far as I can see most criticism is all show and no go . The standing points of criticism of religion are extremists and individuals that commit outrageous acts .

 

Rebuttal of points:

1. Actually, religion plays an important part in societies, especially in the East, where atheists would usually be considered outcasts in a typical society. Whether religion adds value to society or not is a matter of speculation.

2. I don't think there is any religion barring Islam which supports wife beating and terrorism. And not all religions oppose condoms and stem cell research. Another point I'd like to make is as an atheist, you are more fundamentalist than some of those who beleive in God. If someone does not have a favorable view of abortion or same sex marriages, that person is not necessarily stupid. Also, Homophobia is not an exclusive domain of religious people, atheists can be and are homophobic too.

Your assumption in an earlier post that 99% of terrorism has religious motives is definitely wrong. Maoist terrorism, whether in India or Nepal, does not have a religious motive. Same goes for the now dead LTTE terror in Sri Lanka, terror unleashed by ULFA in Assam, the IRA terror in Britain and terrorism by rebels in Spain.

3. Since the assumptions of point 1 and 2 are flawed, you may rethink the 'therefore' part.

4. I am someone who believes in the existence of God but I say that all beliefs - religious or not - should be open to debate.

 

Helvetii i am intrigued by your pen-name. Any Finnish connection ?

 

No Finnish connection , just a Swiss connection and a mind trick name .