Hamas vs. Fatah

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  1. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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  2. Will.Spencer

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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #43
    Makes me wonder why anyone would defend these terrorist acts through denial. Defending terrorists is the same as supporting them.
     
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  4. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #44
    That's an easier question to answer. :)

    Menji gets what he wants and desperately needs out of Islam, an identity.

    Islam fulfills his Love/Belonging need, as defined in Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

    And the more we beat on Menji, the more deeply he sinks into dependence on Islam to make him feel like he is a part of something.

    Moreover, Menji fulfills his Status/Esteem needs through his work towards an Islamist future. Every post he makes here serves to make him feel better about himself, because not only is he a part of the Islamist culture, he is helping to push the movement forward by doing battle with the evil forces of Christianity and Science.

    I'm guessing that the problem will resolve itself in a few years when Menji either settles down with a family or blows himself up along with a busload of school children.
     
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    Arnie Well-Known Member

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    #45
    Well observed. Thanks
     
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  6. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #46

    What an inaccurate psychoanalysis. And Maslow's theory is more towards a business model rather than anything to do with religion. We already have sociology of religion for that.

    - MENJ
     
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  7. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #47
    Ummm... either you didn't read up on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, or you can't read.

    I don't even know where to start in setting you straight, because you failed at the beginning.

    Go back and start over. Re-read from the beginning.
     
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  8. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #48
    Yeah and your very same transcript says that AL-AQSA MARTYRS' BRIGADE was responsible. Geddit? AL-AQSA MARTYRS' BRIGADE. Not Hamas' Izzad-Din Al-Qassam. Talking about apples and oranges here (Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade is the military wing of Fatah).

    Sheesh, some people. Pretending to be too smart for their own good and then turns out that they are total morons :D Oh man, I really had a good laugh just now when you confused the Martyrs' Brigade for Al-Qassam.

    - MENJ
     
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  9. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #49
    I took Business Studies for a time, and I learnt Maslow's Hierachy of Needs in class.

    - MENJ
     
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  10. Will.Spencer

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    #50
    Uh huh... the denier completely ignores Fatal Hamas Attacks Since September 2000.

    Menji, why do you deny the obvious truth? What do you think you are gaining by embarassing yourself publicly? Do you think that is a technique which brings converts to your gods?
     
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  11. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #51
    And I am supposed to care what happened before the year 2004, the year the current Hudna came into force?

    Look, all I am pointing out is that Hamas is holding on to the Hudna which it pledged in 2004 and which they have held to ever since by not launching any attacks on Israeli soil. Until this very moment.

    Yet you people are insisting that this is not happening, and you point to incidents before 2004. Whether these incidents are legitimate or not is not the point of my current argument. Yet you insist on making this stupid red herring and making it out as though that by pointing out that Hamas has not launched a single attack on Israeli soil since 2004, it means that I "agreed" to Hamas actions before the Hudna in 2004, which is of course sheer nonsense. Which is, of course, not the point of this argument.

    Get it now?

    - MENJ
     
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  12. Will.Spencer

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    #52
    Umm... you really need to look up the word "since" in the dictionary.

    Are you really that stupid, or are you just pretending?
     
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  13. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #53
    I said that there were no attacks on Israeli soil since 2004 :rolleyes: Did I say anything about Gaza and the West Bank?

    - MENJ
     
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    #54
    thats any of them
     
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    #55
    Blah blah blah, let me help you again with your reading comprehension. I've bolded things for you, just in case your eyesight is as bad as your reason:

    January 29, 2004 - Eleven people were killed and over 50 wounded, 13 of them seriously, in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, naming the bomber as Ali Yusuf Jaara, a 24-year-old Palestinian policeman from Bethlehem. The victims: Avraham (Albert) Balhasan, 28, of Jerusalem; Rose Boneh, 39, of Jerusalem; Hava Hannah (Anya) Bonder, 38, of Jerusalem; Anat Darom, 23, of Netanya; Viorel Octavian Florescu, 42, of Jerusalem; Natalia Gamril, 53, of Jerusalem; Yechezkel Isser Goldberg, 41, of Betar Illit; Baruch (Roman) Hondiashvili, 38, of Jerusalem; Dana Itach, 24, of Jerusalem; Mehbere Kifile, 35, of Ethiopia; and Eli Zfira, 48, of Jerusalem.

    March 14, 2004 - Ten people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims: Gil Abutbul, 38, of Ashdod; Danny Assulin, 51, of Ashdod; Avraham Avraham, 34, of Ashdod; Zion Dahan, 30, of Ashdod; Ophir Damari, 31, of Rehovot; Moshe Hendler, 29, of Rehovot; Mazal Marciano, 30, of Ashdod; Avi Suissa, 56, of Kiryat Malakhi; Maurice Tubul, 30, of Ashdod; and Pinhas Avraham Zilberman, 45, of Tel Aviv.

    August 31, 2004 - Sixteen people were killed and 100 wounded in two suicide bombings within minutes of each other on two Beersheba city buses, on route nos. 6 and 12. The buses were traveling along Beersheba's main street, Rager Blvd, near the city hall. Hamas in Hebron claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims, all residents of Beersheba: Shoshana Amos, 64; Aviel Atash, 3; Vitaly Brodsky, 52; Tamara Dibrashvilli, 70; Raisa Forer, 55; Larisa Gomanenko, 48; Denise Hadad, 50; Tatiana Kortchenko, 49; Rosita Lehman, 45; Karine Malka, 23; Nargiz Ostrovsky, 54; Maria Sokolov, 57; Roman Sokolovsky, 53; Tiroayent Takala, 33; Eliyahu Uzan, 58; Emmanuel Yosef (Yosefov), 28.

    September 29, 2004 - Yuval Abebeh, 4, and Dorit (Masarat) Benisian, 2, both of Sderot, were killed by a Kassam rocket fired from Gaza while playing in the street. Some 20 people were wounded. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack[/b]. Sept 30, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Gilad Fisher, 22, of Mitzpeh Hoshaya, was killed before dawn when Hamas terrorists, under cover of heavy fog, attacked an IDF lookout post east of Beit Hanoun in the Gaza Strip. Two other soldiers were wounded. The terrorists were killed.

    September 21, 2005 - Sasson Nuriel, 55, of Jerusalem was kidnapped and slain by Palestinian terrorists. His body was found on Sept 26 in a garbage dump in the industrial zone of Bitunya, west of Ramallah. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
     
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    #56
    And you know, I really seriously don't care where Islamists like Menji are murdering people. It doesn't matter to me that they do it here or there -- it matters to me that they do it at all.

    They will not impose Islam on us by blowing up busses full of schoolchildren. This is not a strategy that will work. All this will get them is dead.
     
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  17. Ibn Juferi

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    #57
    Fun, transposing one documentation over the other. As if I believe what was reported in a Zionist-friendly media :rolleyes: You are going to have to do better than that, why not quote Palestinian or international human rights sources instead of relying on your Zionist claptrap material? You know I won't buy it yet you insist anyway.

    - MENJ
     
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    #58
    Well, "Islamists like me" do not murder people, unless there is a very valid reason for going against combatants. Take care of the problem in your own backyard first.

    - MENJ
     
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    #59
    Bahahaha! You're not even dodging now, you're just completely ignoring the truth because it doesn't match the lies which you have mired yourself in.

    But hey, the Koran does teach that it's OK to lie to infidels, right? :rolleyes:
     
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  20. Ibn Juferi

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    #60
    Do not accept the Zionist version of "truth". A pack of lies as far as I am concerned.

    - MENJ
     
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