Well actually, wiretapping isn't much to worry about, Echelon have existed since the 60:ies. What I'm not happy about is that security cameras are popping up in every streetcorner nowadays, they doesn't only recognise film you, they also automatically analyse your behaviour and face scan you to check your identity. The health record is another thing that I don't want to share with the police(even if they think that they might stop me from carrying out an attack against the king by checking it). Also, Britain have implemented a restricted-speech zone outside the Parliament. But that doesn't mean that we should believe in outragous conspiracy theories that have no basis in facts.
I think 9/11 needs to be dropped. It was a terrible thing, but it has been made an excuse fto create much bigger problems. All the people who died deserve more respect than to be politicized.
Has your government enacted laws to protect the citizens of Australia? Does Australia have something similar to the patriot act? The reason I ask if it does; have you given consideration that it's not just you it serves to protect? Governments (most) have an obligation to protect their citizens, whether an individual citizen wants it or not. It's not about an individual, it's about the best interests of the people of the country as a whole. What makes freedom so great, is that if an individual wishes not to be protected, they can (on their own free will), move to another country where the likelyhood of their personal safety diminishes to their own personal preference. As for "Examples of civil liberty conflicts within the USA Patriot Act," these were copied/pasted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act These are not lost civil liberties. In the case of the first one, the wiki entry clearly notes it as "controversy." For the second/third issues, Judges made rulings and these were set aside.
Oh my... what a truly despicable thing to say. The murder of all those people was a political act. You can't "politicize" someone in any way more meaningful than murdering them for no other crime than being an American or cooperating with America. The Islamists murdered those people specifically because they saw the World Trade Centers as a place where all of the nations of the world came together in peace -- and that concept is unacceptable to the Islamist mind. This wasn't a fucking natural disaster. This didn't just happen. This was a deliberate attack on our culture and our political system by men who seek to destroy both and impose fundamentalism Islamic rule on the entire planet. To deny the political nature of that is reprehensible. It is morally revolting. I think I am going to throw up.
While I do agree that no important civil liberties have been lost in the last 6 years, I also appreciate the concern that people have for the potential loss of civil liberties. By not watching and protecting ourselves, we allowed the The Firearm Control Act of 1968 to pass. The liberals seem to feel that they have lost something, but can't quite figure out what they have lost. That's sad, because it is such an avoidable circumstance. However, the libertarians are a bit more intelligent. They have documented what they feel has been lost in Power Surge: The Constitutional Record of George W. Bush. I would argue that George W. Bush has a much better constitutional record than many of his predecessors (LBJ, FDR, BC, etc...). However, he has quite a bit of room for improvement.
Will.Spencer, you speak great words Your last paragraph I actually agree with for the most part, Bush isn't perfect, but it's mostly his personality towards the public; he's passive, and needs to be more agressive.
I agree. The people who did it should be executed. Oh yeah, they are already dead. They did what they set out to do because you are letting them change what you do as an American. I'm going to stop posting in this thread though. Not because I can't back up my point. Discussing my point would only make me a hypocrite.
More civil liberities were lost under Bill Clinton than any other president in US history. When someone shows me each that has been lost under Bush, I will list each lost under BC.
I already told you, Gtech. Geesh! We can no longer look for child porn anonymously in public libraries! Fascist bastards!
Listen you moron, you acknowledged the identification of lost civil liberties yourself. So how about addressing them rather than continue rambling "show me the lost civil liberties!"
"listen you moron" Why is it that every liberal fanatic moonbat prefaces their response with an insult? Why am I even asking this question? I know the answer.
He is a moron. I will edit my post if he addresses the lost civil liberties. He's got a little less than 8 hours.
I did no such thing and your post was addressed. Is lying the best you have to offer now? Desperation makes for amusing posts
GTech is apparently too stupid to understand what words mean now. I will quote from your own post. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1513923&postcount=257 How about ADDRESSING them?
I think you failed to read the next sentence(which is normal - the inability to read that is): Please source it for verification.