Merkel: Multiculturalism has failed... Where does Germany go from here?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by vitalbusiness, Oct 18, 2010.

  1. Bakai

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    #21
    Look around your own community for that answer. It is apparent.
     
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  2. miscsoft

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    #22
    for your perusal
    http://www.mha.nic.in/citizenship/acquire1.htm
     
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    #23
    It hasn't failed. Its just more of a chunky stew we are creating, rather than a bisque. Each of the cultures that has come to this country and integrated has added to it's culture, not taken away. Overall, I'd call it a success.

    I think you mean killing each other. Yeah, those groups have settled down quite a bit. They've integrated, and found their niches, but not without a fight. It seems that, regardless of where most people are from, if the first generation wasn't, the second generation is American through and through. More often than not, the children of immigrants do not even retain their parent's native language. Certainly true in my case.

    I think you'd be surprised at what a strong bond a few basic common values can create.

    Illegal immigrants have absolutely no requirement to learn the language or integrate, because they are breaking our laws from the moment they enter the country, and our current administration seems to feel they are not obligated to enforce those laws.

    So what, specifically, was Merkel referring to?
     
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    #24
    ya I am aware of the facts, I talking in terms of reality and not text book facts.

    lol! I didn't know only 16 countries citizens were allowed to get Indian citizenship before though, I thought it was open for every one except China and Pak :p
     
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    #25
    thats (list of 16 countries) the overseas citizen scheme, and not the general one.

    i may be wrong but ppl of pakistan do gets indian citizen. hoards of pakistani hindu and sikhs leave the holy land and seek refuge in India who are granted citizenship after sometimes. google a bit and you will know.
     
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    #26
    Not really . France is one of the best countries in the world to live in . It's just a matter of love it or hate it .

    Since the '60 many Arab immigrants flocked in thinking France is the promised land , but most of them failed to get a job because they couldn't even speak French . But instead of sending them home France let's them sit around receiving aid packs from time to time .
     
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  7. vitalbusiness

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    #27
    Somebody has already mentioned it here. She was referring to Christian values. Without them no integration possible (as per Merkel).
     
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  9. vitalbusiness

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    Hmm interesting that CNN didn't mentioned that . Whit the risk of being called a racist that might hold some true . Europe never changed it's culture based on immigrants . Usually other cultures are absorbed and twisted in a unique way.

    I guess the 1st step would be to ban sharia schools from teaching laws that contradict nation laws . I don't know how well that would go whit freedom of speech but refusal of state education seems to be the main problem for them .
     
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    #31
    From your article:
    He has some pretty choice words for Muslims as well. The economy is tight and countries with wealth try to "take care of their own". Its natural, and perhaps even proper. All told, it is pretty god damn frightening.
     
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    #32
    Even more frightening is that if the problem is not resolved then what happens is that a truly extremist government comes to power and you get some extreme anti-immigrant measures in place along whit wacko laws . Look at some of the republicans they are pro-war and deny global warming . So one good thing (IMHO) and one bigger wrong thing .

    EU , the US and any other state whit similar problems needs to ban "economic asylum" . This type of immigration abused the asylum system as has lead to the tons of social problems we have today .
     
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    #33
    In the U.S., far more cultural assimilation has occurred. Limeys and Jerrys and WOPs and Micks and Chinks all sort of live in the same culture.

    A large percentage of Blacks (and Eminem) live in their own culture. Many Latino's live in their own culture.

    In Germany, the Turks have largely not assimilated. They are more of a cultural invasion force than they are immigrants.
     
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    #34
    You also need to take into consideration that Europe doesn't assimilate cultures it generates it's own culture . To live in the EU you have to live to the standards already set . Expecting that those standards will be adjusted for you is unrealistic and stupid .
     
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    #35
    I think England is quite a multicultural country where except for some radical Muslims a majority of people from different cultures and religions feel integrated in the mainstream. France and Germany could learn from the Brits.
     
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    #36
    England isn't multicultural . Although London is a world capital and as cosmopolit as it gets and that leaves the impression that England is multicultural . They do have a mentality that supports imports since they know that in order to be prosperous they need to import basic workers & basic materials .
     
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    #37
    Britain, as a traditional sea power, had a leg up on multiculturalism that Germany, as a traditional land power, did not enjoy.
     
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    #38
    Somebody told us on another forum that England is like a second Mecca. I am not sure what the person exactly meant by that but I am guessing it has a large population of Muslims that are very much an integral part of that society.
     
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    #39
    Yes and no there are muslims in UK that are fully integrated . But most Muslims especially pakis are views like gypsies since they cause more trouble then they're worth it .
     
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